NASA says humans could land on Mars in 25 years

[walrus]

Logical is accepting what the overwhelming majority of people who have dedicated their lives to studying a field tend agree on, rather than spending ten minutes reading something on the Internet and then thinking you're an authority.

I never claimed that I am an authority, I'm just asking that people think for themselves. Rather than being told what to believe.

Just because the majority believe something doesn't prove that it's correct. I guess your talking evolution right? There is a reason it's called a theory.

Wouldn't you rather come to a conclusion based on your own experiences? Stuff you can see and do and explain in front of you? Like I said, all of us have been deceived at some point. All my friends believed there was Santa when I was a kid, even my kids did, were we lying? No, but the majority of us believed it, so does that make it right?

I also mentioned that we were told Pluto was a planet for around 500 years. Turns out that's wrong. It ain't a planet. But we were told it was, so we believed it.

At what point do you start questioning someone, after they had been wrong or lied to you over and over? Do you believe Oswald killed Kennedy alone? 9/11? The reasons the give for the start of wars?

The question you have to ask yourself firstly is, do I believe the government? And if you don't then you need to ask why you believe some stuff they tell you and not other stuff.

From my experience, once someone lies to me, or is wrong about something they confessed was correct, then I find it hard to take what they tell me next time as fact.

No harm in questioning ideas but you are mixing a lot of things to justify your scepticism. Pluto has been reclassified, it could get be labelled a planet again. Yes evolution is just a theory and there are gaps but it is better than creationism.

better than creationism?

Makes more sense and less gaps in it.

what do u mean less gaps. If it’s intelligent design what are the gabs. I thought you were seikh and religious

[walrus]

A type of evolution does not rule out intelligent design but there are numerous things to think about. Here is a quote from the science dude

It is important to note that the information written on DNA molecules is not produced by any known natural interaction of matter. Matter and molecules have no innate intelligence, allowing self organization into codes. There are no know n physical laws which give molecules a natural tendency to arrange themselves into such coded structures.

[Alpha]

I just like to give people examples where they can use their common sense.

I have a challenge that no one will be able to complete, and by not being able to complete this challenge should make anyone question what they have been told. But like I said, people would rather bury their head in the sand, ignorance is bliss.

[Fenster]

Incidentally the fake moon landings conspiracy only went ballistic after the 70s movie Capricorn One was released - Mars landing filmed in a studio, Astronauts hunted down and killed. That was some scary shit when I was a kid, the idea everything you've been sold is a lie.

Obviously these days with the internet they've become more popular than ever. However, there's as many vids/articles debunking the so-called fakery as there are claims these days.

It's not a coincidence that people most likely to believe in global/major conspiracies also believe in a supernatural creator. Teleological thinking or something, it's called.

[walrus]

Yes we get lied to but the government is terrible at keeping secrets. If a Oval Office blow job cant be kept down low, I don’t think a numerous fake moon landings could be kept hush. It wouldn’t be just the astronauts who would need to keep quiet.

[Alpha]

Incidentally the fake moon landings conspiracy only went ballistic after the 70s movie Capricorn One was released - Mars landing filmed in a studio, Astronauts hunted down and killed. That was some scary shit when I was a kid, the idea everything you've been sold is a lie.

Obviously these days with the internet they've become more popular than ever. However, there's as many vids/articles debunking the so-called fakery as there are claims these days.

It's not a coincidence that people most likely to believe in global/major conspiracies also believe in a supernatural creator. Teleological thinking or something, it's called.

But when you tell the truth the story is always the same, it doesn't change. When you lie, to have to keep changing the story to keep up with the lie.

Evolution is a joke. Instead of just taking their side of the story think about it logically for a second. What do explosions do? Destroy stuff right? But not this big bang explosion, this explosion does something your logic tells you doesn't happen, it creates something.

Right at the beginning and there's already a problem.

[Alpha]

Let's look at the moon landing logically. Say 2 of us were in a race to location fit example, one of us is the States the other Russia. Now your team has invested a lot of tax payers money in helping to you to win the race. And my team has invested a lot of tax payers money helping me to win the race. Now the States wins the race, but instead of at least finishing the race and making all that money at least mean something, Russia just quits?

[Fenster]

Incidentally the fake moon landings conspiracy only went ballistic after the 70s movie Capricorn One was released - Mars landing filmed in a studio, Astronauts hunted down and killed. That was some scary shit when I was a kid, the idea everything you've been sold is a lie.

Obviously these days with the internet they've become more popular than ever. However, there's as many vids/articles debunking the so-called fakery as there are claims these days.

It's not a coincidence that people most likely to believe in global/major conspiracies also believe in a supernatural creator. Teleological thinking or something, it's called.

But when you tell the truth the story is always the same, it doesn't change. When you lie, to have to keep changing the story to keep up with the lie.

Evolution is a joke. Instead of just taking their side of the story think about it logically for a second. What do explosions do? Destroy stuff right? But not this big bang explosion, this explosion does something your logic tells you doesn't happen, it creates something.

Right at the beginning and there's already a problem.

Evolution is flawed therefore we must have been created? The "god of the gaps" argument, which is truly illogical.

[Alpha]

Yes we get lied to but the government is terrible at keeping secrets. If a Oval Office blow job cant be kept down low, I don’t think a numerous fake moon landings could be kept hush. It wouldn’t be just the astronauts who would need to keep quiet.

Ok but how much does NASA get a day, 20 - 50 mil a day. I can do a lot with 50 mil. And if I'm hiring the stuff , wouldn't it make sense for me to hire people I can control, people I have dirt on? You don't think it's possible for them to threaten your friends and family? How much is a hitman roughly?

If anyone has looked into any pedophile ring stuff, there are reports that some abusers were forced into these acts, recorded, as blackmail so they could speak out for fear of their dirt coming out.

And look at Grissom and Co., if anyone thinks they are untouchable just check out JFK to see you're not.

[walrus]

Yes we get lied to but the government is terrible at keeping secrets. If a Oval Office blow job cant be kept down low, I don’t think a numerous fake moon landings could be kept hush. It wouldn’t be just the astronauts who would need to keep quiet.

Ok but how much does NASA get a day, 20 - 50 mil a day. I can do a lot with 50 mil. And if I'm hiring the stuff , wouldn't it make sense for me to hire people I can control, people I have dirt on? You don't think it's possible for them to threaten your friends and family? How much is a hitman roughly?

If anyone has looked into any pedophile ring stuff, there are reports that some abusers were forced into these acts, recorded, as blackmail so they could speak out for fear of their dirt coming out.

And look at Grissom and Co., if anyone thinks they are untouchable just check out JFK to see you're not.

anything can be twisted and turned at anytime in these theories. People who beleive them can explain any differing point of view, that’s what makes them interesting. That 9-11 video covers everything you can think off. Like Lou Reed said, you can’t beleive everything you read and nothing that you see.

[Fenster]

Yes we get lied to but the government is terrible at keeping secrets. If a Oval Office blow job cant be kept down low, I don’t think a numerous fake moon landings could be kept hush. It wouldn’t be just the astronauts who would need to keep quiet.

Watching one of those vids which debunk the conspiracy theorists, there would have been hundreds of thousands murdered to cover it up.