The Brexit Thread

[El Kabong]

"We are guided, above all by the principle... by a belief in the underlying unity of Europe...We have believed in ourselves as Englishmen & Europeans... We have believed in our fellow Europeans...And we have believed in the destiny of Europe"
- Sir Oswald Mosley leader of the British Union of Fascists






Guy Verhofstadt Leader of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe & Member of European Parliament for Belgium




"member states are reluctant to transfer new sovereignty and powers to the European Union and we all know that the only way out of this crisis is a new transfer of powers to the European Union and to the European Institutions"





Anyone at all bothered by this in the least?

[Master]

We will be out of Europe by March 2019 one way or the other. EU can say what they want.

[El Kabong]

So criticizing mass migration will become "hate speech" and that will be a CRIMINAL OFFENSE and media outlets who give room to criticism of migration can be shut down.

[Gandalf]

You have to love how they refuse to debate but shut things down with 'law'. What a horrible place and those are the words of people living in modern Europe. I have a friend worried about the future for his kids. Does the EU not consider people like him or his family at all? Maybe he should be listened to rather than criminalised. Don't they call this fascism?

[Master]

11th December will be the big vote in the House of Commons to see if this deal goes through.

Corbyn and May are even going to have a TV debate a few days earlier which is worthless and just a run for the general election that could happen next year.

The whole things is so politically charged and the issue is so divisive.
May wants this deal to go through because it is the best deal she has negotiated and her neck (future) is on the line.

Tory who do not like the deal will vote for it because it keeps them in power and they do not want a leadership challenge and a Corbyn government.

EU have accepted the deal and they get £39 billion when they could end up with nothing with no deal.

Labour want to vote the deal down because they believe they could negotiate a better deal and should be in power.

UKIP and Tory Bexiteers would prefer a no deal to this. DUP hate the Irish border, SNP want a 2nd referendum to have independence and this gives them a good excuse to do it.

Very interesting time.

[El Kabong]

"The decision for Parliament is whether they accept the deal that I and the Government have negotiated on behalf of the Euro...er..em..the United Kingdom... with the European Union."



.....vile woman

[Master]

Tomorrow was going to be the big vote but Teresa May knew she was going to lose big so had delayed it until she can get a better deal from EU.

A big mess, 2 years wasted on a poor deal.