Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

[TitoFan]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

[TitoFan]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

Fair enough. It's not about being a robot though. I value consistency and steadfastness. Anyone can stumble and get back up... but for mental strength, I prefer the man who doesn't fall too far off course. Again... Fury's to be admired for some things. But to hear Iron Mike extol his mental toughness outside the ring just sounded kind of hollow. You've got plenty of examples of guys who came up from nothing and made something out of themselves, and rarely deviated too far off course. Fury was at the pinnacle of the sport.... then pissed some key years away. If he beats Wilder he'll complete a comeback of sorts... but why go there in the first place? Who knows what all Fury could've achieved had he seized the moment after beating Wlad.

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

Fair enough. It's not about being a robot though. I value consistency and steadfastness. Anyone can stumble and get back up... but for mental strength, I prefer the man who doesn't fall too far off course. Again... Fury's to be admired for some things. But to hear Iron Mike extol his mental toughness outside the ring just sounded kind of hollow. You've got plenty of examples of guys who came up from nothing and made something out of themselves, and rarely deviated too far off course. Fury was at the pinnacle of the sport.... then pissed some key years away. If he beats Wilder he'll complete a comeback of sorts... but why go there in the first place? Who knows what all Fury could've achieved had he seized the moment after beating Wlad.

On the whole I do too, but I see how some go off the rails and that's just how it is. For every Federer or a Hopkins or Messi or Davis you have your McEnroe or Toney or Best or Higgins. Some have their flaws, but to get to that level with flaws is perhaps even more monumental. People often relate to it more as they see it is more human. Federer was a bit boring when he was superman. You could say the same about Wlad too. Even you warmed to him once he showed a bit of heart at the end. Sometimes consistency and steadfastness is just boring.

[Fenster]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Fenster]

Has Fury cracked him?

[Yuzo]

people talk about what if emanuel steward trained deontay wilder. wilder does thing where he will stand there and do nothing but rock his upper body left to right for, i would say, a solid 20 seconds. that would have drove steward absolutely insane.