Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

[TitoFan]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

Fair enough. It's not about being a robot though. I value consistency and steadfastness. Anyone can stumble and get back up... but for mental strength, I prefer the man who doesn't fall too far off course. Again... Fury's to be admired for some things. But to hear Iron Mike extol his mental toughness outside the ring just sounded kind of hollow. You've got plenty of examples of guys who came up from nothing and made something out of themselves, and rarely deviated too far off course. Fury was at the pinnacle of the sport.... then pissed some key years away. If he beats Wilder he'll complete a comeback of sorts... but why go there in the first place? Who knows what all Fury could've achieved had he seized the moment after beating Wlad.

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury fight:

"Although Wilder's punch is strong, nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring. It'll be a close call, but I think Fury's got a true fighting chance."

Mental strength out of the ring? I guess Mike's definition of mental strength is different than mine.

You probably have not had the kind of life Mike Tyson has had. The man has mental strength. A weaker person would be dead already with the kind of childhood Tyson had, but Tyson has made a life outside of boxing, grew as a person, has his faculties, and faced his demons. He has mental strength. I think he has turned out just fine all things considered.

I must admit that I am getting uneasy about this fight. If Fury can frustrate and spoil as I am sure he will then this could get awkward for Wilder. Then again if Wilder is going to use his athleticism and unleash from unusual angles it is Fury in trouble. It's a great match up and I do not mind the under card either. It has some names looking to stay busy and fair enough I say.

You misunderstood. Not talking about Mike.

"....nothing can compare to the mental strength Fury has shown both in and out of the ring...."



Mike was referring to Fury. Fury has shown little mental strength outside the ring. Anyone who implodes like Fury did after winning the heavyweight world championship has little mental strength IMO.

Fair do's.

IMO anybody able to work their way up to Heavyweight Champion of the world has mental strength though and that comes outside the ring and working at it for 20 years. The in ring time is only a small part of what we see. Sure he went off the rails, but hey, he has worked through it and even if he gets flattened he went in there and faced the man. He is going in there against an undefeated champion this weekend on the back of 2 exhibitions and a 3 year lay off. Does that not take a certain degree of fortitude? If he had little mental strength he would be nowhere near a boxing ring. I think he has mental strength in abundance. I also think he has a soft spot for the good life that took over. But few work their way into the position Fury has and I am not even all that big a fan. He has a fortitude that many do not have. We are talking about a world where few really live their dreams and Tyson Fury this weekend is living it. How is that not a sign of character and strength?

It's all in how you view it. I prefer the person who doesn't crash and burn in the first place. You work your way up from nothing... sure you make some mistakes along the way. But you don't piss off what you've achieved, because you never know if you'll ever get there again. THAT..... IMO, is mental fortitude. The huge peaks and valleys are a sign of mental instability, IMO. But credit to Fury for facing the man without too much hassle, unlike what AJ did/didn't do. That alone is worth something. Still... I'll believe it when the bell sounds for Round 1.

I see it differently in that people are just people and I think in the case of both Tyson and Fury you see people who have overcome adversity and that is more reflective of life in general. We are not all robots designed to be perfect and life and conditions can hit you in different ways at different times. Tyson Fury appears to have been through problems a bit like Ricky Hatton and you see it with a lot of sportsmen who achieve a goal or even fail to do so and find they hit a wall. To bounce back win or lose is tenacity and strength. You could say 'Oh, but he was weak because he got fat and self destructed', but it isn't that simple and never is. Maybe if you get several million dollars in the bank you too might think 'What more is there to achieve or do?' Someone like GGG might grind out a dozen wins against opponents he is meant to beat and not get fat, but it is just different strokes for different folks. Everyone has a different life story. If Fury quits in his corner at the end of round 2 crying to himself I will agree with you, but I see a determined man with a point to prove. It certainly makes this fight very interesting. I am supporting Wilder, but part of me wouldn't be too upset to see Fury do a Lacy.

Fair enough. It's not about being a robot though. I value consistency and steadfastness. Anyone can stumble and get back up... but for mental strength, I prefer the man who doesn't fall too far off course. Again... Fury's to be admired for some things. But to hear Iron Mike extol his mental toughness outside the ring just sounded kind of hollow. You've got plenty of examples of guys who came up from nothing and made something out of themselves, and rarely deviated too far off course. Fury was at the pinnacle of the sport.... then pissed some key years away. If he beats Wilder he'll complete a comeback of sorts... but why go there in the first place? Who knows what all Fury could've achieved had he seized the moment after beating Wlad.

On the whole I do too, but I see how some go off the rails and that's just how it is. For every Federer or a Hopkins or Messi or Davis you have your McEnroe or Toney or Best or Higgins. Some have their flaws, but to get to that level with flaws is perhaps even more monumental. People often relate to it more as they see it is more human. Federer was a bit boring when he was superman. You could say the same about Wlad too. Even you warmed to him once he showed a bit of heart at the end. Sometimes consistency and steadfastness is just boring.

[Fenster]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Fenster]

Has Fury cracked him?

[Fenster]

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

[Gandalf]

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

That's very wide. Atlas has put on the curse and American punters have a habit of doing a Lacy. I see Wilder as favorite, but I re-watched Wilder/Ortiz earlier and had to wonder. If Wilder starts slow it could be difficult as Fury is not going to be so stationary as Ortiz or as easy to time. I think he needs to show more output and ensure he takes rounds just in case he cannot dent Fury. If Stiverne can take him the distance, then Fury can too. It is interesting.

[nuggetdotcom]

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

Settles it for me then, I'm backing Fury

[smashup]

Has Fury cracked him?

I think Furys got him rattled and Wilder has come apart mentally.
I think a huge factor is that Fury is going down a storm in the US while nobody knows who the fuck Wilder is.
The video the other day proves that and i think Wilders jealousy has turned bitter and theres genuine hate.
Furys never gonna lose when it comes to verbal warfare and hes simply tying Wilder in knots at will.
We could see Wilder fighting on emotion for the first time and come out air conditioning the Staples Centre with that right hand.
I really do think this is Tysons to lose and this will be an epic story if he pulls this off.
Wilder is so dangerous as long as hes standing though so anything could happen.
Not looked forward to a Heavyweight fight this much for decades 😎👊🏻

[Yuzo]

people talk about what if emanuel steward trained deontay wilder. wilder does thing where he will stand there and do nothing but rock his upper body left to right for, i would say, a solid 20 seconds. that would have drove steward absolutely insane.

[Master]

WE GO AGAIN Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury: WBC vote in favour of sanctioning immediate rematch

The heavyweights fought to a disputed draw on Saturday night, but will get to face each other again next year

The WBC have voted unanimously in favour of sanctioning an immediate rematch between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

On Saturday night, the pair battled out a twelve-round epic which was controversially scored a draw by the three judges at ringside.



However, now Wilder and Fury look set to go at it again, with the governing body giving their backing to a second fight – as well as both camps stating that they want a direct return next.

WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman stated: “The World Boxing Council conducted a vote through the Board of Governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

“Wilder and Fury gave boxing one of the best fights in the heavyweight division in a long time, which has created tremendous popular demand for the fans to see a rematch.

“The WBC is happy to confirm that a direct rematch has been approved and will create in a ruling which will also consider the mandatory status of the division.

“I wish to once again congratulate Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury for their great battle inside the ring and for the exemplary sportsmanship after the bout.”

There were cries from the boxing community saying Fury was robbed of victory by the judges despite the fact he was knocked to the canvas by the Bronze Bomber on two occasions.

Fury’s promoter Frank Warren and the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) lodged a complaint over the scoring of the fight while also demanding a rematch.

And it looks like they’ve got their wish after the WBC’s decision.

Wilder was due to face fellow American Dominic Brezeale next as a mandatory but this latest decision overrides a Wilder v Brezeale bout.



https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...diate-rematch/

[Master]

Tyson Fury has cracked America after controversial Deontay Wilder draw ‘sets heavyweight division alive again’

Tyson Fury's controversial draw with Deontay Wilder will make him a major star in America - just like Lennox Lewis.

Former manager Kellie Maloney watched in disbelief as Fury suffered a carbon-copy of the judging robbery suffered by Lewis against Evander Holyfield.

But she says the uproar will help make Fury's name in the USA as it did with Lewis who went on to beat Holyfield in a re-match and become undisputed world heavyweight champion.

Maloney said: "I couldn't believe my eyes as I watched the Fury fight on TV. It was a complete flashback. A real case of deja vu. It all came flooding back to me.

"But the row about the draw made Lennox a bigger name in the USA and they will all be talking about Fury over there now. They will all want to see a re-match with Wilder. They've set the heavyweight division alive again."

Fury's challenge for Wilder's WBC belt in Los Angeles was ruled all square as a split draw.

Canadian judge Robert Tapper scored it 114-111 to Fury and Mexican Alejandr Rochin declared it 115 -111 in favour of Wilder - with Englishman Phil Edwards confirming the draw at 113-113.

The same fate hit reigning WBC champion Lewis at New York's Madison Square Garden in March, 1999 in his first world title unification clash with Holyfield, who held the WBA and IBF titles.

There was mayhem after American judge Eugenia Williams scored it 115-113 for Holyfield and South African Stanley Christodoulou handed in his card 116-113 to Lewis, with Englishman Larry O'Connell calling it level at 115-115.

The row made front page news in the city with even Mayor Rudi Giuliani chipping in to call the result "a travesty" against Lewis, while heavyweight great George Foreman branded it "a shame."

The sanctioning bodies immediately ordered a re-match and Lewis won on points in Las Vegas the following November - watched by a travelling army of 10,000 Brits.

Kellie, 64, was known as Frank during 13 years as manager of Londoner Lewis but underwent gender re-assignment surgery in 2014.

She added: "There has even been an English judge scoring the Fury fight a draw just as there was with Lennox.

"I remember standing in the ring at Madison Square Garden waiting for the result - and it was Larry O'Connell's score read out last to make it a draw, just as it was with Fury and Phil Edwards.

"Lennox was already a name in America because he was world champion but most people there agreed that he had been robbed and it made the re-match huge. Holyfield was a national hero so it made massive news. New York went crazy.

"Now this is history repeating itself totally.

"There was only one winner that night in New York - Lennox. And there was only one winner in LA - Fury.

"There will have to be a re-match. It is the fight everyone wants to see now. They have shifted the ground in the heavyweight division with this result. Anthony Joshua will be on the back-burner for a while now.

"Las Vegas will be biting their hands off to stage the return because it will be big in the USA and they know thousands of Brits will go out for it.

"This is the first time I have been excited about a heavyweight fight since the Lewis days.

"We have big stadium fights here but if Vegas want it, you can't beat them."

Maloney insisted that Fury gave Wilder a boxing lesson but was disappointed in the American's tactics - although Wilder has since revealed that he suffered a broken arm during training camp.

She added: "Wilder was just trying to throw big right hands and nothing else. Why didn't they tell him to work behind the jab?

"It was poor. He was just relying on one punch.

"Lennox had a big right hand but it always came after a jab. That's why he was so good.



"Fury was very clever and gave Wilder a lesson in trickery. And I was surprised how fit Tyson was after all his problems.

"If Fury had thrown more punches he could have stopped him

"He looks unbeatable already. If he worked the jab more, nobody could live with him.

"My only worry is about him staying disciplined. I didn't like hearing his trainer say that they now needed a long rest. I would have him back in the gym after a week to keep him focussed."

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tys...090600518.html