Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Fenster]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

[Gandalf]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

[p4pking]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

[Gandalf]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Yep, just saying that I gave Wilder 2 of 4 and that the knock downs count, but you are right to call me out on the numbers. Of those first 4 they were all nip and tuck so see how a draw is feasible. Either way I don't think Wilder did enough and thought he needed a stoppage going into that final round. You could potentially have Fury up 4 after 4 or even Wilder, neither was landing much. I only watched the fight live so wasn't exactly scoring it closely myself.

Fury better boxer.
Wilder demon puncher.

Fury made it too close by not being careful enough. He didn't need to take any risks in that final round.

[armin]

I hate hate to say this but fury might be best heavy of our generation. based on this n kit fight he beats Joshua

[Fenster]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

[Gandalf]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

Fury was also given nearly half a minute to recover.

Those first 4 rounds could have gone either way really, just depends on what you are seeing. I would need to watch them again myself. It has nothing to do with Fury being dead for several seconds. That's just a 10-8 round.

[p4pking]

I’ll have to rewatch also, but my impression was since there was little meaningful work done in the first 4, you go to ring generalship, and that was all Fury. Wilder looked clueless the way he was biting on feints. You could probably have it 2 a piece, 4 zip Fury was also fine. After that wilder literally didn’t win 10 seconds of the fight that Fury wasn’t being counted. I’m saying to your average guy, the severity of the knock in 12th makes the overall result easier to accept. If it had been a flash or off balance type thing more people probably would’ve protested the outcome, although it’s the same thing on the cards.

[Gandalf]

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I am making no case for Wilder winning, just saying that I can see a draw there based on those early rounds and the KD's. Going into the 12th I FELT that Wilder needed a KO, but I certainly had not been keeping a scorecard.

I timed the KD just now too and it was a good 21 seconds that Fury had before action resumed in the 12th. The count was correct, but he had too much extra time. Thankfully for Fury the fight was in the states.

[Fenster]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

Fury was also given nearly half a minute to recover.

Those first 4 rounds could have gone either way really, just depends on what you are seeing. I would need to watch them again myself. It has nothing to do with Fury being dead for several seconds. That's just a 10-8 round.

I don't think the first four rounds could have gone either way (maybe the 1st), I watched one fighter totally control the pace and distance whilst constantly popping a jab and countering every wild missed right hand with combinations and pressure (which mirrored what the majority saw - Fury winning rounds).

Subconsciously the knockdowns have had an affect, you believe those are clear-cut 10-8 rounds. Why? Because it's simple to score a knockdown but not simple to score subtle boxing.

(that isn't a criticism of you, I scored the knockdowns 10-8 too, just saying they are distorting the idea one man didn't dominate the other)

[sanatogen]

Fury can get even better in rematch, questionable that Wilder can get better.

Terence Crawford said Fury got back on his feet like Undertaker, classic.

Appetite out there for a rematch with Joshua continuing to sit on the sidelines waiting, keeping busy.

[Dark Lord Al]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

Everybody here knows I don't like Fury , however he won that fight .

[Manos de Piedra]

Fury won that even with the two KDs. I don't hate on or dislike wilder but he looked like an off balance bum out there. Apart from those two punches that scored the KDs, he did jack all. Credit to Fury for getting up from such a huge shot in the last round where he was out cold. It was like Holmes recovering from the Shavers KD. I'd love to see the rematch and a more dominant Fury.

[armin]

I meant to say usa not yea .dam autocorrect

[Mark TKO]

That’s right.

No one thinks Wilder won