Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Fenster]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

[Gandalf]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

Fury was also given nearly half a minute to recover.

Those first 4 rounds could have gone either way really, just depends on what you are seeing. I would need to watch them again myself. It has nothing to do with Fury being dead for several seconds. That's just a 10-8 round.

[p4pking]

I’ll have to rewatch also, but my impression was since there was little meaningful work done in the first 4, you go to ring generalship, and that was all Fury. Wilder looked clueless the way he was biting on feints. You could probably have it 2 a piece, 4 zip Fury was also fine. After that wilder literally didn’t win 10 seconds of the fight that Fury wasn’t being counted. I’m saying to your average guy, the severity of the knock in 12th makes the overall result easier to accept. If it had been a flash or off balance type thing more people probably would’ve protested the outcome, although it’s the same thing on the cards.

[Gandalf]

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I am making no case for Wilder winning, just saying that I can see a draw there based on those early rounds and the KD's. Going into the 12th I FELT that Wilder needed a KO, but I certainly had not been keeping a scorecard.

I timed the KD just now too and it was a good 21 seconds that Fury had before action resumed in the 12th. The count was correct, but he had too much extra time. Thankfully for Fury the fight was in the states.

[p4pking]

I think jack reiss(who was uncharacteristically good all night) was probably just as shocked as anyone that he got up, and wanted to make sure he wasn’t about to lay an egg and let fury get hurt. It was a good move having him take a walk and as it turned out wilder was pretty gassed anyways. Nothing struck me as unfair or controversial.

[Fenster]

Fucking disgrace, can't find anyone (with half a clue) that had Wilder winning.

Why is it a disgrace? Sure 115-111 is a disgrace, but a clear case for a draw can be made. Are KD's not meant to be scored? They make a round count double pretty much.

No they don't. Fury had an argument for winning both rounds he was knocked down in.

Nobody thinks Wilder won.

It is very rare a KD round is scored 10-9 just because you land a few more shots. Those were 10-8 rounds. They score extra points. The first 4 rounds were nip and tuck. I gave Wilder 2 of them. Mathematically you end up with 6-6.

I agree I do not think Wilder won the fight, but based on scoring round by round neither did Fury. Fury was the better boxer, but he couldn't stay on his feet.

You might want to check your math a bit there. It’s still 8-4, Fury just loses two points. That gives you 114-112, an acceptable score. What rounds could you give Wilder after the 4th, aside from 9 and 12? The fact it’s scored round by round is exactly why the result is rubbish. Casual fans won’t have a problem with the draw because it looked like Fury was dead for 6 seconds.

Exactly!

Fury was also given nearly half a minute to recover.

Those first 4 rounds could have gone either way really, just depends on what you are seeing. I would need to watch them again myself. It has nothing to do with Fury being dead for several seconds. That's just a 10-8 round.

I don't think the first four rounds could have gone either way (maybe the 1st), I watched one fighter totally control the pace and distance whilst constantly popping a jab and countering every wild missed right hand with combinations and pressure (which mirrored what the majority saw - Fury winning rounds).

Subconsciously the knockdowns have had an affect, you believe those are clear-cut 10-8 rounds. Why? Because it's simple to score a knockdown but not simple to score subtle boxing.

(that isn't a criticism of you, I scored the knockdowns 10-8 too, just saying they are distorting the idea one man didn't dominate the other)

[sanatogen]

Fury can get even better in rematch, questionable that Wilder can get better.

Terence Crawford said Fury got back on his feet like Undertaker, classic.

Appetite out there for a rematch with Joshua continuing to sit on the sidelines waiting, keeping busy.

[Master]

Lennox Lewis hits out at judges after Tyson Fury is denied stunning win

Former world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis led the condemnation of the judges who denied Tyson Fury a fairytale win over Deontay Wilder in Los Angeles.

Despite climbing off the canvas twice – the second knockdown in the final round appeared to momentarily leave him out cold – most observers thought Fury had done enough to claim a decision.



Victory would have completed a remarkable comeback for Fury, who has shed in excess of 100lbs and dealt with serious mental health issues over the last couple of years.

But the contest was scored 115-111 for Wilder, 114-112 for Fury and 113-113 as a draw was declared, meaning Wilder retained his WBC heavyweight title.

Lewis, whose first fight with Evander Holyfield ended in a controversial draw in March 1999, empathised with Fury but nevertheless praised his fellow Briton for his showing at the Staples Center.

Speaking as a pundit for BT Sport Box Office, Lewis said: “They need to get some good judges, these judges were terrible.

“It happened to me and I knew it was going to happen to him. Everybody could see who won. Boxing definitely won and Tyson Fury won the fight to me.

“But that’s why you’ve got to go in and try and knock the other person out, especially if you’re not on home soil. You’ve got to make your fists be the judges.”

Lewis was also critical of Wilder’s performance and believes the American relies too much on his vaunted power, having secured 39 knockouts in his 40 professional fights before facing Fury.

Lewis added: “I think Deontay boxed terribly. He has a great right hand but he wasn’t able to put it to bed until the last couple of rounds.

“He’s always got that power. I think when he’s tired he’s more dangerous because he just flings those punches around and if one of them hit you round the head, you’re going to go down and it happened.

“To me Tyson Fury put himself in harm’s way and caused himself to get knocked down.”

The result caused consternation among those watching on.

Former two-weight world champion Andre Ward wrote on Twitter: “A draw, I understand (even tho I feel Fury won by a 2 or 3 rds).

“With 2 knockdowns & round here or there for Wilder and you have a draw in some people’s eyes. But 115-111 for Wilder is terrible, just terrible !! That’s what’s wrong with boxing. Fury’s stock went up !!!!!”

Trainer Dave Coldwell tweeted: “I gave Wilder two 10-8s and one other round. That’s it. Fury was brilliant tonight and the only man that looked like a winner.”

Other sportsmen paid tribute to the efforts of both fighters, with former England and Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand saluting Fury for how he has dealt with his personal demons.

He wrote on Twitter: “As a sportsman what @tyson_Fury has done tonight must be respected. What he has been through in his personal life, to put in a performance like that.”

Manny Pacquiao, who has won world titles in eight weight classes, added on the social networking site: “Respect to Fury for sticking to his game plan and to Wilder for closing the gap with two huge knockdowns! Can’t wait to see the rematch.”

Los Angeles Lakers basketball star LeBron James wrote: “Man that was the funniest/craziest fight I’ve ever seen in my life.”

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/len...094656019.html

[Mark TKO]

I'm wondering how people would be reacting if fury had got the decision after suffering two knockdowns?

Just rewatched highlights. First knockdown wasnt much really. Not hurt at all

[Gandalf]

Might as well do the rematch. Would be nice to see Ortiz get a shot at Joshua actually.