Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Memphis]

That was almost certainly Wilders best shot at beating Fury. Wilder won’t change or improve, he can’t, he doesn’t have the capacity. He’s a tough powerful bloke with a dangerous right hand, but that’s it. Nothing wrong with that of course, it’s taken him far and in many rings he scores a 12th round come from behind KO last night.

Fury will improve I feel. He went through the motions in the televised spars but he’s essentially come back after a long layoff, shed a load of timber and beaten at worst the second best fighter in the division. With the extra time and focusing more on the technical elements He’ll add another layer of sharpness, strength and speed.

Massive props to both of them for a fantastic spectacle and props to the referee for not panicking when Fury was flattened. No one would have complained if that gets immediately waved off.

I think Fury takes and immediate rematch, Wilder not so much. The noises Wilder was making suggested to me he wants no part of it. It was an immediate reaction to be fair, when the dust has settled he may be just as keen.

[Primo Carnera]

Before the fight , I thought Wilder would beat Fury, just because I didn’t think Wilder could possibly be as bad as I think he is, and Fury could not be as good as HE thinks he is.
Now I’ve seen the fight, Wilder is at least as bad as I thought and Fury is better than I have given him credit for. Fury won the fight easy IMO. Even when he was hurt in the 12th, he came back stronger than Wilder and fought the better round.
Wilder is as poor a Boxer as I have ever seen win a World HW Title, he’s just a crude street brawler relying on one single punch. That’s fighting, but it’s as sure as hell not Boxing.
The US Is the World leaders in Boxing, but the HW division must be a source of embarrassment to them if Wilder is the best HW they can produce.

[Spicoli]

Fat Dan had Wilder 114-112? My goodness. I can see zero scenario where he deserved a victory and proved to have no plan B whatsoever. Not trying to pile on and maybe hindsight is 20-20 but you could see a night like this coming a loooong time ago. Fury is far better than given credit for at least on my part and literally owned the fight during and in the aftermath with keeping the fans-promotions tuned in. Seriously..he could run for office .

[TitoFan]

Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?

It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.

Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.

It's like a pack of vultures in here.

Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.

First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.

Styles make fights.

We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.

Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.

Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.

[powerpuncher]

Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?

It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.

Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.

It's like a pack of vultures in here.

Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.

First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.

Styles make fights.

We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.

Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.

Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.

I agree. I would pick Fury to win a rematch, but we obviously saw that Wilder could hurt him. And if Wilder could fix a few things then he may be able to legitimately beat Fury.

And it doesn’t prove anything about beating or not beating AJ.

[Memphis]

This fight changes nothing for me. In fact if anything it solidifies my belief that AJ deposits Fury into row Z and AJ Wilder is a who lands first job. Which is odd given that Fury looked as good as ever and Wilder looked worse than ever.

Wilder continues to make the fundamental mistakes he’s always made with no sign of change. You would have to assume that they do work on those flaws in the gym. Maybe they get somewhere maybe they don’t. When he’s under the lights the evidence would suggest the latter. That’s my reason for thinking it’s Fury who improves and makes adjustments. Wilder will be hoping to land another home run and that Fury isn’t actually The Undertaker.

[ryanman]

This fight changes nothing for me. In fact if anything it solidifies my belief that AJ deposits Fury into row Z and AJ Wilder is a who lands first job. Which is odd given that Fury looked as good as ever and Wilder looked worse than ever.

Wilder continues to make the fundamental mistakes he’s always made with no sign of change. You would have to assume that they do work on those flaws in the gym. Maybe they get somewhere maybe they don’t. When he’s under the lights the evidence would suggest the latter. That’s my reason for thinking it’s Fury who improves and makes adjustments. Wilder will be hoping to land another home run and that Fury isn’t actually The Undertaker.

Wrote a big fucking reply and deleted it.

Basically, I agree.

[Spicoli]

Damn people. So Fury has room to get better but Wilder can't?

It's like you all have shovels in your hands and Wilder's grave was already dug.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm gonna go with Door # 2. I'm gonna say Wilder can go back to the drawing board.... study the fight.... study his mistakes... and possibly learn from them.

Remember... it's his first "loss" even though it was officially ruled a draw. It was his first time against a taller, bigger man. It was probably his first time against someone who wasn't looking for a place to land.

It's like a pack of vultures in here.

Wilder was never good enough.... AJ would destroy him.... blah, blah, blah.

First.... Joshua isn't Fury. No head games... no unorthodox boxing skills... nothing but straightforward style. Who knows if Wilder maybe can't beat Fury's style, even in a rematch..... but would probably make mincemeat out of AJ.

Styles make fights.

We'll see what happens. I'd love to see a rematch, and although I imagine Fury would be favored and rightly so, I'm not ready to get the Wilder career tombstone engraved just yet.

Wilder did look gassed at the end of the fight, and wasn't able to take advantage of the huge knockdown he put on Fury. That's something to put a red flag on.

Other than that, Wilder CAN and occasionally DOES throw a straight right hand. That's what he put Fury down with in the 12th round. I'm assuming Wilder can still be coached.

Fair points and true enough there is usually always adjustments to improvements that can be focused on. But to sound like a broken record, you cannot build backwards once you've already arrived at the pinnacle of divisions best. Technically I guess a guy can by reversing competition and some visibility but it's all stuff that should have and needed to be realized prior. It's essentially back to basics and unfortunately networks..especially a ppv..are not going to green light tune ups and tutoring sessions. Then again you never know by looking at last nights undercard . I'm not writing Wilder off by any means and this will open his eyes and hopefully his mind, I just think it was all so avoidable if the work and retooling was done when it should have been. Now he's forced to learn on the job on the terms of much better fighters for all to see. And in fairness they don't come much bigger than Fury and Wilder regardless of height has always been a lean lighter heavy. He hasn't outweighed an opponent for a half dozen years and the biggest guys he's fought were Washington and Price at 6'6 and 6'7 respectfully...both pretty limited and ex footballers and basketball players but it's the skill level, anywhere close save for Ortiz, of Fury that he wasn't facing that did him in. The responsibility for proper preparation lays squarely on the shoulders of promotion, managers and the fighter themselves and the Wilder camp got lost in the KO numbers. The rematch will be very interesting if it comes off but unfortunately it's now Wilder being the one who needs it more. I think the best thing Wilder can do right now is forget AJ exists. Stick his nose in the lesson books and focus entirely on whats exactly in front of him. Forget purse splits, hypotheticals and twitter wars and dress up. Do work! And for god sakes get that 1-2 going like a piston and stop shelling up walking straight back. Very humbling sport this one.