Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[ryanman]

This fight changes nothing for me. In fact if anything it solidifies my belief that AJ deposits Fury into row Z and AJ Wilder is a who lands first job. Which is odd given that Fury looked as good as ever and Wilder looked worse than ever.

Wilder continues to make the fundamental mistakes he’s always made with no sign of change. You would have to assume that they do work on those flaws in the gym. Maybe they get somewhere maybe they don’t. When he’s under the lights the evidence would suggest the latter. That’s my reason for thinking it’s Fury who improves and makes adjustments. Wilder will be hoping to land another home run and that Fury isn’t actually The Undertaker.

Wrote a big fucking reply and deleted it.

Basically, I agree.

[palmerq]

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267 some various media gits and their scorecards.


Punches thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 84 of 327, Deontay Wilder 71 of 430
Power Shots Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 38 of 104, Deontay Wilder 31 of 182
Jabs Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 46 of 223, Deontay Wilder 40 of 248

Punch stats copy and pasted from boxrec no idea how accurate they are.


I don't think wilder is very good, I still think Vitali could take a weekend off being mayor of Kiev and beat him with ease, but we'll done to him too, he took up boxing at twenty years old and had a limited amateur career, a lot of crap pri fughts early on and he's done pretty good for himself. He's fun to watch too. He's taking on talented guys who've been boxing way longer than him and still managing to ko or nearly ko them (last night)... wilder can be very proud of his career, which I think won't last that more many years. Not everyone gets to win a world title and defend it a few times....

Big baby would stop wilder though! Come on big baby (errrr u wot m8 )

[powerpuncher]

Those punch stats just don’t look right to me

[Gandalf]

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267 some various media gits and their scorecards.


Punches thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 84 of 327, Deontay Wilder 71 of 430
Power Shots Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 38 of 104, Deontay Wilder 31 of 182
Jabs Thrown and Landed: Tyson Fury 46 of 223, Deontay Wilder 40 of 248

Punch stats copy and pasted from boxrec no idea how accurate they are.


I don't think wilder is very good, I still think Vitali could take a weekend off being mayor of Kiev and beat him with ease, but we'll done to him too, he took up boxing at twenty years old and had a limited amateur career, a lot of crap pri fughts early on and he's done pretty good for himself. He's fun to watch too. He's taking on talented guys who've been boxing way longer than him and still managing to ko or nearly ko them (last night)... wilder can be very proud of his career, which I think won't last that more many years. Not everyone gets to win a world title and defend it a few times....

Big baby would stop wilder though! Come on big baby (errrr u wot m8 )

I think many of you are being far too harsh on Wilder. Even in the stats you cite there were only 13 punches between them. I do not know the round by round numbers, but you are talking a fight where there was no domination as such. In those first 4 rounds, Fury did not do very much at all. If there was a hundred punch difference then it is cut and dry, but 13 and with 2 knockdowns? It tightens it.

Personally I think differently to Fenster. It does not matter if Fury landed a few more punches in the rounds he was knocked down in, he was still knocked down. Nothing is cancelled out. Sanchez has it fair in saying that he think Fury won, but that a draw is an acceptable result. If you want a shut out you cannot get knocked down twice and start so slowly for 4 rounds.

It was hardly Calzaghe/Lacy. Wilder was in there, the punch stats were close, and he knocked his man down twice. I think it is unfair on Wilder and also disrespectful to Fury for many to be saying how bad Wilder is. There are clearly things he can do better, but he was in there against a very game Fury and still left his mark on the fight. It would not have been such a dramatic fight had he not had the skill to land that beautiful two punch combination that seemingly had Fury struggling.

[Fenster]

You think differently to Fenster? I thought you said Fury won 8 rounds to 4?

I was merely explaining the intricacies of scoring to you, miles. What you believe is cut and dried is in fact not so. That's all.

Both knockdowns were scored 10-8? Fine. Were both knockdowns the same? No. The first was a clip on the back of the head that did little damage the second knocked Fury into another universe. In both cases Fury arguably won the round (ignoring the knockdown of course).

You started complaining about "long counts" well the first knockdown was illegal. Take that away and it's yet another round Fury clearly won.

My point isn't about whether or not a draw is doable, especially with hindsight and an agenda, just that the scoring system is flawed.

There was only one winner and everyone knows it.

[Gandalf]

I did not say the count was long, but there was about 22-23 seconds before the fighting resumed after the KD. Fury was allowed time to hold the ref and then run around. Granted I get that he needs to avoid being seriously hurt, but that is still a fair chunk of time.

8-4 is a respectable enough scoreline, but I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it. Certainly not a robbery though. If there were no KD's it was, but those 10-8's eat at the gap.

I think Fury was the better boxer too, but that does not mean Fury won as boxing is a hurt game and if you go down then a fight gets closer. The only issue I really have is the 115-111 Wilder card as it just makes no sense at all. That has to be corruption of some kind. Practically impossible, but the other 2 cards I say 'I can see that'.

[Fenster]

I did not say the count was long, but there was about 22-23 seconds before the fighting resumed after the KD. Fury was allowed time to hold the ref and then run around. Granted I get that he needs to avoid being seriously hurt, but that is still a fair chunk of time.

8-4 is a respectable enough scoreline, but I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it. Certainly not a robbery though. If there were no KD's it was, but those 10-8's eat at the gap.

I think Fury was the better boxer too, but that does not mean Fury won as boxing is a hurt game and if you go down then a fight gets closer. The only issue I really have is the 115-111 Wilder card as it just makes no sense at all. That has to be corruption of some kind. Practically impossible, but the other 2 cards I say 'I can see that'.

You've totally contradicted yourself.

If the first four rounds "could have gone either way" then you've absolutely justified the 115-111 Wilder judge. "I wouldn't complain about a draw as those first 4 rounds were all rather edgy and if the home fighter is given the nod then so be it."

Well there you go, he thought Wilder "edged" them. If, as you claim, they could have gone "either way" his scorecard is perfectly legit. Fact.

He gave Wilder just one other round like his fellow judges (barring the two 10-8 rounds).

[Gandalf]

I think you can make a case in terms of those first 4 rounds as they were the closest the 2 fighters had. Does not mean I scored all 4 to Wilder myself as I did not, but I do think it was even at that stage. Fury only really started to be impressive after 4.

The mid rounds he pulled apart. Then the championship rounds he was pulled back in with the 10-8's.

I do not agree with 115-111. The card I like best was 113-113.