If Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson, & Foreman are the Top 5 HW's in the 90's, who's #6?

[ykdadamaja]

Not sure i'd rate old Geroge no.5. The top four were standouts but the old boy lost to Morrison and got lucky against Shultz.

Morrison
McCall
Golota
Bruno
Tucker
Hide
Akinwande

to add to the others.

I knew it would not be anymore than 4 posts before someone pulls Morrison out of their asses. smh... Like Mercer had not raped him; and as if Moorer was a nobody?!

[El Kabong]

Larry Holmes went 19(6 KO)-3 in the 1990's with some really good wins beating Mercer with relative ease...sure he lost to Holyfield, Neilsen, and McCall but they were all in their primes.

Ray Mercer is a good call, but he like many others in the era suffered from inconsistencies he walloped Tommy Morrison but lost to Larry Holmes, he fought Lennox and Evander very close though.

Tommy Morrison he had good fights and big wins, but also horrible losses in the 90's.

Michael Moorer his entire career came and went in the 90's dizzying heights and devastating lows.

Buster Douglas he beat Mike Tyson which automatically ranks him up there. He may have been a one hit wonder but shit it's a hell of a tune to KO undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the World Mike Tyson.



I'd give the nod to Holmes based on the win over Mercer who obviously was a hell of a fighter, maybe Moorer next, then Mercer, then Morrison, then Douglas.

[Memphis]

Next question. Of the fighters at 6 - 10, who wouldn't have gotten their faces caved in by AJ or Wilder or been lead a merry dance by Fury? If you've got McCall in there he'll see the final bell unless his hinges become unpinned, I'll give you that, but win? Bruno? Anybody think Big Frank has a prayer against any of them? Hide?

[Master]

Next question. Of the fighters at 6 - 10, who wouldn't have gotten their faces caved in by AJ or Wilder or been lead a merry dance by Fury? If you've got McCall in there he'll see the final bell unless his hinges become unpinned, I'll give you that, but win? Bruno? Anybody think Big Frank has a prayer against any of them? Hide?

Tough question as we know how the careers panned out of the 90's fighters. Will Fury stay mentally stable, will Wilder learn how to box, does AJ have stamina/chin issues?

[Memphis]

Next question. Of the fighters at 6 - 10, who wouldn't have gotten their faces caved in by AJ or Wilder or been lead a merry dance by Fury? If you've got McCall in there he'll see the final bell unless his hinges become unpinned, I'll give you that, but win? Bruno? Anybody think Big Frank has a prayer against any of them? Hide?

Tough question as we know how the careers panned out of the 90's fighters. Will Fury stay mentally stable, will Wilder learn how to box, does AJ have stamina/chin issues?

As of right now, with no further career development or decline, does Frank Bruno beat AJ, Wilder or Fury? Personally, the answer is an easy no. AJ and Wilder bludgeon Frank and he'd barely be able to smell Fury let alone see or hit him.

[Memphis]

Nothing against Frank of course. I just find it funny how 'today's heavyweights are a joke.....couldn't live with the one's of the 90's' What they mean of course is they couldn't beat a prime Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield.

You hear it all the time, and it's nonsense.

[Fenster]

Nothing against Frank of course. I just find it funny how 'today's heavyweights are a joke.....couldn't live with the one's of the 90's' What they mean of course is they couldn't beat a prime Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield.

You hear it all the time, and it's nonsense.

And every old "expert" back in the 90s confidently predicted Lewis and Tyson and Holyfield would've never lived with past heavyweight greats. It's all rose tinted bollocks.

Not just would AJ/Fury/Wilder slot in amongst the wins and losses of ANY top heavyweight from the 90s you can also throw in the Povetkin's and Whyte's and Ortiz and Parker's.

These guys would have beat some and lost to others, it just depends on who matched up best stylistically.

[Master]

I think Mercer could beat AJ if he fought him around the time he took on Lewis - under those conditions which were a fight in New York, small ring and the crowd all supporting him.

[El Kabong]

Next question. Of the fighters at 6 - 10, who wouldn't have gotten their faces caved in by AJ or Wilder or been lead a merry dance by Fury? If you've got McCall in there he'll see the final bell unless his hinges become unpinned, I'll give you that, but win? Bruno? Anybody think Big Frank has a prayer against any of them? Hide?

Again Larry Holmes


I think depending on the night Morrison, Mercer, and Moorer would have done quite well vs all of them. Would they win? Maybe. Would they get stomped? Maybe. Mercer wouldn't be stopped by AJ or Wilder FACT....Wlad hammered the shit out of a 40 year old Ray Mercer and it still took him 6 rounds. AJ & Wilder wouldn't have done jack crap to him in his prime...maybe won a decision but it wouldn't be easy. Fury would have danced to a decision win I suppose, but hey maybe he gets caught, he's been caught now it's only going to happen more often now.


Would have been fun to see Golota cup check Fury though.

[Master]

Mercer v AJ/Wilder would be a good test for the power punchers stamina against a solid chin.

Fury does not hit hard enough to worry any of the others but I do not think they could outbox him.

[X]

Tyson was pastbhis (short) prime and declining rapidly in the 1990's.

I was never really convinced with Moorer at the time. There was a lot of hype, but to me he was an awkward southpaw with decent, but not crushing, power. Not sure he had the same Fighters heart as some others.

Holmes is an all time great, but not in the 1990's. By then he was surviving on guile and chin.

Golota was good, but when things got tough he ALWAYS started looking for a way out. I don't think he would have won a tough 50/50 fight against any of the top guys that he couldn't bully.

Morrison was only a left hook and white skin. Not much else

Buster Douglas was superb ...... but only for one fight, and I don't think that's enough to get to be a decade long top 6 guy.


I would go with Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock.

He was big, didn't shirk his training, technically OK with a big punch. Strong guy up close, great chin and heart as he proved against Iron Mike twice.

I always thought he would come back strong after the second Tyson fight, and I even daw him taking over at the top of the division ..... but it never really happened.

He was a better fighter than many of the guys who held alphabet titles over the years, and IMO would have been competitive against quite a few of the World heavyweight champs in history.

[Spicoli]

That's a toughie but I come down to Moorer or Mercer, edge to Mercer as it all came down to he ran with better guys and all depends on which Ray you got on any given night. That was one if my 'dream' fights when it was so close to being made but Mercer dropped the trinket for what he thought would be a more lucrative easier mark in Holmes. Oops. Sounds strange maybe..but Fury v Wilder sort of reminds me of that fight. Save for Mercer being a superior boxer and more tested proven fighter in just 18,19 fights than Wilder was prior to Fury imo. In fairness though the closest he came to dropping Homles was when he staggered him all over the ring in the 1st. After that Holmes schooled him. On any given night a motivated Mercer could give any heavy complete hell and he took Lewis right to the brink and arguably could have taken that decision though I had Lewis nicking it. His war with a top form Cooper belongs in a time capsule and proved exactly how tough as nàils he could be. Had it not been for 'whisper gate' and the resulting media court circus I'd say Mercer a no doubt #6. Moorer was sound and I think he gets a bad rap maybe due to that chin. He went to hell With Copper too before they started trying to muzzle his inner rage and give him a longer career. Used a great jab and his head to beat Holyfield but still think that screw ball 10 point must system did him a favor in 2nd when it could have been a draw. McCalls up there too and had it not been for his mental implosion he's a certain top 6 7 8.

[El Kabong]

And again....Larry Holmes beat Ray Mercer


Larry had an easier time with Ray than Lewis OR Holyfield



Let it sink in....just because Holmes' other opponents weren't the absolute greatest shouldn't keep him from getting a good helping of respect. He went the distance with Holyfield as well (more than Tyson can say), Holmes was 42, Evander was 29. He came close to beating a 29 year old Oliver McCall again went the distance with him (more than Lennox Lewis could say in his loss to the same man). He fought Brian Nielsen in Denmark where he was robbed.


I'd also say Buster Douglas (if we allow his fights from 88 & 89 to carry over, they changed the momentum of his career) he's up there with the HUGE win over Tyson.



Moorer had the win over Holyfield (MD) , the loss vs Foreman, loss to Holyfield (RTD), a MD over Vaughn Bean ....meh

Morrison had the loss vs Bentt, Lewis, and Mercer wins over Foreman, Ruddock, Williams.

Razor Ruddock great OPPONENT himself, but lost every fight vs a name guy: Lewis, Morrison, Tyson x2

Golota is similar always loses vs the named guys





Shout out to Alex Stewart who fought Tyson, Foreman, Holyfield x 2, and Moorer in the 90's

Jorge Luis Gonzales did well in the 90's


Everett 'Bigfoot' Martin fought damn near everyone there was to fight in the 90's: Bert Cooper in 88, Qawi & Foreman in 89, Gary Mason, Pierre Coetzer, & Francisco Damiani in 1990, Bonecrusher Smith, Michael Moorer, Riddick Bowe, Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Herbie Hide, Tony Tubbs (back to back to back, to back to back)....that's a Murderer's Row if ever I've seen one, not a bad boxer in the bunch....he beat Witherspoon! From October 1990 to February 1994 he fought 9 former world champions in a row! In his career he fought against 15 world champions. Mad respect for you wherever you are Bigfoot

[Master]

I think Mercer beats Wilder.

[Spicoli]

Crazy thing about Bigfoot he turned pro at middleweight if I remember right. Also the first hvy to drop Moorer and gave Bowe and Foreman some pretty stressful moments. Holmes did well with very carefully selected no hopers at start of comeback but earned his shot at Holyfield, would have been Mercer but he thought all he needed to do is hit Holmes and he'd go. Holmes however saw that clinic Damiani was putting on Ray before a single uppercut nearly ripped Damianis nose off and left him leaking all over the canvas. Holmes did ok with Holyfield and wasn't adverse to using an elbow or three. Still though he didn't beat Mo Harris or Fergusson and was out on his feet vs the Boogeyman. Think Navarre had his shook too. Pure master class on that stuck to make it back in career as far as he did.