My hat's off to Tyson Fury

[TitoFan]

This was started as a respect to Fury thread, but I'm gonna throw some respect Wilder's way as well.

Seen a lot of trashing of Wilder after the fight, but most are forgetting a lot of things.

First, Wilder did come within one or two seconds of KO'ing Fury in the 12th round. Most HW's wouldn't have gotten up from that right-left combo that dropped Fury. Credit Fury who did.

It was Wilder's first time seeing someone the size of Fury and fighting without fear, to boot. That must've taken some adjustments, physically and mentally, from Wilder.

Wilder's not the first, nor will he be the last, fighter to summon strange excuses after losing/ drawing/ not performing as expected in a fight. This was Wilder's first blemish on his record. Give the guy a break. Not many fighters are perfectly gracious after suffering their first blemish.

Wilder's a bit weird, yeah. So is Fury for that matter. But Wilder was weird BEFORE the fight. It's not like suddenly changed personalities after the fight.

The fight itself was good. Better than most of us expected. I'll watch the replay again, but Wilder did not lose every round (other than the KD rounds) in the fight. Fury did not connect with every jab he threw from the opening bell, regardless of what "expert commentator" Paulie kept saying.

These were two guys who gave it their all in the ring that night. I'm all for giving Fury his due credit and respect, but I find it sad to see everyone piling on Wilder as a result. Again....... I'd love to see them do it again.

[Mark TKO]

I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

[TitoFan]

I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

[Primo Carnera]

I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

I don't think it's about being mentally capable to deal with adversity. I think it's about being mentally and technically capable of learning boxing skills, some being fundamental.
If he has managed to go an amateur career , where he went to the Olympics and got a bronze medal , 40 pro fights , earn a World Title , defend it numerous times and still not able to improve his skillset, then how all of a sudden is he gonna do that now?
For someone at such a high standard , these flaws are HUGE , he is so crude that it is almost unbelievable.

[TitoFan]

I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

I don't think it's about being mentally capable to deal with adversity. I think it's about being mentally and technically capable of learning boxing skills, some being fundamental.
If he has managed to go an amateur career , where he went to the Olympics and got a bronze medal , 40 pro fights , earn a World Title , defend it numerous times and still not able to improve his skillset, then how all of a sudden is he gonna do that now?
For someone at such a high standard , these flaws are HUGE , he is so crude that it is almost unbelievable.

If you get straight A's through high school without having to study very hard.... then go to college and find yourself with the stark reality that you're gonna have to study.... is it beyond the realm of possibility that you could pick up good study habits and adapt to college life? I've seen people who have actually done this, albeit after crashing and burning for a semester or two. Then they adapt and recover.

Wilder never NEEDED to correct his flaws. Now he finds that he does. It's not that isn't capable of throwing a good jab.... or a straight right hand. He can and does on occasion.
Only that now he's gonna need to, if he's going to succeed against the elite level in the division.

[El Kabong]

Amazing to read these posts...so Tyson Fury would be the one to be pumped for a rematch because he boxed so well and Deontay Wilder should be scared of the rematch?


Tyson Fury was the dude who got sat on his ass twice....if I'm a puncher and I sit somebody down then even if they get back up I'm more than happy to take another shot at the guy, I mean hell maybe I didn't catch him clean often enough to have really done the damage or maybe I finally got the timing down late in the fight.


I can't see how Wilder would be 100% shitting his pants about a rematch when he dropped Fury 2 times. He fought him 12 solid rounds, sure Fury got the better of him most of the fight, but Wilder DID catch him twice.


I think once you figure out HOW to catch a fighter then you're more apt to do it. Granted Tyson Fury should still feel good about winning rounds, but he still got dropped twice which in the future doesn't bode well for winning more rounds. Chins don't improve over time either, each crack weakens them.



That said BOTH fighters should be absolutely dying for an IMMEDIATE rematch. 'Wilder-Fury II: Unfinished Business'

[Memphis]

Amazing to read these posts...so Tyson Fury would be the one to be pumped for a rematch because he boxed so well and Deontay Wilder should be scared of the rematch?


Tyson Fury was the dude who got sat on his ass twice....if I'm a puncher and I sit somebody down then even if they get back up I'm more than happy to take another shot at the guy, I mean hell maybe I didn't catch him clean often enough to have really done the damage or maybe I finally got the timing down late in the fight.


I can't see how Wilder would be 100% shitting his pants about a rematch when he dropped Fury 2 times. He fought him 12 solid rounds, sure Fury got the better of him most of the fight, but Wilder DID catch him twice.


I think once you figure out HOW to catch a fighter then you're more apt to do it. Granted Tyson Fury should still feel good about winning rounds, but he still got dropped twice which in the future doesn't bode well for winning more rounds. Chins don't improve over time either, each crack weakens them.



That said BOTH fighters should be absolutely dying for an IMMEDIATE rematch. 'Wilder-Fury II: Unfinished Business'

To me, everything that Wilder said post fight suggested he wasn't keen on a rematch. It was immediate to be fair so he can have a little slack. Now, he says he wants it so I take his word at face value. I'm firmly in the if anyone is going to improve, it's going to be Fury camp. He boxed beautifully given the layoff and with that fight in the bank plus another training camp where he isn't so wrapped up with shedding pounds, I think he comes in all together a much sharper fighter.

Wilder can't change much for me. Going back to Tito's point previous. It's one thing acknowledging that you need to make adjustments, but it's another to be able to implement them routinely. Wilder can throw a right hand without squaring his feet up, he can throw technically correct punches. But for much of the time he doesn't, he forgets what he's been instructed and resorts to brute force. As Primo said, if it's not ingrained now it never will be.

Wilder didn't poleaxe Fury due to a subtle change of pace or distance, he didnt lure him in with deceptive feint. He did what he always does, he ploughed forward and rattled off the best right hand he could muster and that particular one came off. I don't think there was any figuring out done.

That said, I agree entirely that he should be thinking on a very basic level, I chinned that guy once, I can do it again.

[powerpuncher]

Wilder really needs Emmuel Steward I’m his corner. He would have been a perfect trainer for him.

[El Kabong]

Wilder really needs Emmuel Steward I’m his corner. He would have been a perfect trainer for him.

I think Manny could have done well with any of the top heavies today.