The Brexit Thread

[El Kabong]

Yes I meant stimulate.

Getting back to brexit, the whole referendum was loaded for remain to win, not just business, politicians, and media. They lost and I am dreading them asking for another referendum and another chance because of the incompetency of the government who have wasted 2 years and come with a poor deal.

OK, I didn't want to put words in your mouth, but I assumed that's what you meant.




Yeah the entire Brexit referendum deal looks quite poorly handled. It looks rather a lot like the American Presidential election of 2016.....like 1 side didn't figure on losing like AT ALL and they didn't count on the massive groundswell of support for their opposition. The leaders of Remain much like Hillary Clinton, were complacent and they got caught and once they got caught they have been fumbling around trying everything in what is left of their power to get a do over. Only problem is....a do-over on a referendum (or in my case a rigged election) undermines the very fabric of how our governments work...it will be needlessly expensive (government in general is FANTASTIC at that) and really put a dent in the morale of the nation, it could cause rifts within the nation which never fully heal.



Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Theresa May pays lip service to Brexit the way Corbyn paid lip service to Remain..it's got to be very frustrating to have your votes tallied and then have them mean nothing. I think there's likely to be riots Second Referendum or no....I certainly hope this gets sorted out, but it's got to be by someone with the best interests of Britain at heart and that ain't Theresa May.

[Beanz]

Well

[Master]

Would love the no confidence vote to win but it will not. So plan B is next and she will cling on and survive.

Want a general election but not a second referendum.

Government have screwed these negotiations over 2 and half years. Wasted precious time.

[Beanz]

Would love the no confidence vote to win but it will not. So plan B is next and she will cling on and survive.

Want a general election but not a second referendum.

Government have screwed these negotiations over 2 and half years. Wasted precious time.

She barely survived and now two years after consulting literally nobody she is blaming everyone else for not collaborating over two days. What a shit show. She does not have the mandate to do anything. I voted Remain but that does not mean I support bending over to the worse demands of a belligerent EU or mean that virtually half the population should be screwed over in an exit that sticks two fingers up to trading partners.

An election would have at least held up the opportunity to vote on the nature of the leave deal for all in Britain, rather than have people like Gove, Rees-Mogg and Boris hijack the result as an excuse to return Britain to the dark ages. A real cross-party consensus could have been reached and to be honest Keir Starmer could not only have made May's negotiating skills look embarrassingly amateur, if she had not already done the job herself, he could be future Prime Minister material himself.

[TitoFan]

Been watching a bit of this on the news lately, and just wanted to ask the following of you Brits:

Would a 2nd referendum really be so bad? I know it's not the norm, and probably those who voted for Brexit would probably raise holy hell about their initial votes not being respected but.....

There seems to be some real controversy here over the whole deal. In fact, I seem to remember some Brits being interviewed shortly after the 1st results came out and frankly some of them seemed surprised at what Brexit really entailed.

It also seems a lot of young Brits, who are just now coming into voting age, reject the whole Brexit idea.

The idea of a 2nd referendum might smack of "we didn't do it right the first time" but.... is it really so bad when so much is at stake?

[Master]

A second referendum or people vote would be bad.

The people voted and it was up to the government to deliver which they have failed to do miserably.

It was a surprise that Brexit won because nearly everything was in the remainers favour with business, prime minister, chancellor, leaflets, business etc all supporting remain.

Nothing will be gained with a second referendum other than give remainers another chance. There is no guarantee that the remainers will win because the EU have acted like cunts in this.

There are so many shades of Brexit that you will not get a consensus.

Real major screw up the whole thing.

If we leave on a no deal, so be it. I disagree with Labour not working with May by insisting taking no deal off the table.

wankers the lot of them.

[TitoFan]

A second referendum or people vote would be bad.

The people voted and it was up to the government to deliver which they have failed to do miserably.

It was a surprise that Brexit won because nearly everything was in the remainers favour with business, prime minister, chancellor, leaflets, business etc all supporting remain.

Nothing will be gained with a second referendum other than give remainers another chance. There is no guarantee that the remainers will win because the EU have acted like cunts in this.

There are so many shades of Brexit that you will not get a consensus.

Real major screw up the whole thing.

If we leave on a no deal, so be it. I disagree with Labour not working with May by insisting taking no deal off the table.

wankers the lot of them.

The people voted, yes... but as Beanz said there seemed to be a lot of misinformation leading up to the vote. I just remember seeing interviews with Joe Blow and Jane Doe on the street following the results and some of them seemed bewildered about the ramifications, and some went as far as to say they would've voted against Brexit if they had known what it really meant. Doesn't sound like a lot of the population had all the facts in front of them. Under those circumstances, isn't at least the consideration of a 2nd referendum justified?

I can certainly sympathize with you guys, as we've had our share of referendums over here as well. In our case, and the one that mostly resembles yours, it's been the referendums on status, with choices of wanting statehood, preferring the status quo, or choosing independence. I can say from experience we've managed to f*ck up some of those referendums as well, and I blame the people in power who are supposed to make sure people are well informed before going off on some agenda-laden, half-cocked referendum.

Speaking as an outsider, it would seem the drawbacks would outweigh the benefits of leaving the EU, even if as you say the EU have been pricks about the whole thing. I'd venture to say if the rest of the EU was "referendum-ed" about Brexit, they'd likely vote against it. Again, it's always the politicians that manage to muck everything up. I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.

[Beanz]

Been watching a bit of this on the news lately, and just wanted to ask the following of you Brits:

Would a 2nd referendum really be so bad? I know it's not the norm, and probably those who voted for Brexit would probably raise holy hell about their initial votes not being respected but.....

There seems to be some real controversy here over the whole deal. In fact, I seem to remember some Brits being interviewed shortly after the 1st results came out and frankly some of them seemed surprised at what Brexit really entailed.

It also seems a lot of young Brits, who are just now coming into voting age, reject the whole Brexit idea.

The idea of a 2nd referendum might smack of "we didn't do it right the first time" but.... is it really so bad when so much is at stake?

I would be quite happy with a second referendum. There was an almighty amount of deception, flat out lies,illegal money and disinformation from foreign agents that presented a false picture. Even the most vehement of Brexiteers were very happy at first to suggest a second vote on the terms of the deal. They now are again pretending otherwise. I mean look at the example here even on this forum, this thread which I started, was absolutely dominated by those outside of the UK who will not even be affected by the vote. I would rather we didn't leave and reshaped the EU from within but the British people have decided to leave so fuck it, let them reap the dividends but don't pretend that the half of us that voted remain do not exist. The leave deal should not be dictated by cunts like Farage who could not even win enough votes to get elected to Parliament, ex-pat scum like PJW and Milo, ego mainacs like Trump and Putin who just want to weaken the UK and flood us with shite produce and Russian propaganda. The insanity of ignoring the freedoms of being able to trade freely in an established market with thousands of years of shared history in workers and produce with countries a few hundred miles away in favour of those thousands of miles and an airplane away (or worse cargo boat), with no established protocols is beyond a joke. Even immigration the one issue so many Brexit voters want to control will go thru the roof with far more dangerous people coming in than now.

[Master]

You know Beanz that we have been trading with Europe before the EU ever came together.

You also know that we would not get a good deal in EU. Maggie got a big rebate in the 1980's but Cameron came back with a hardly any concessions at all.

EU was getting too big for their boots.

Many other countries would leave if they had a fair vote.


BTW I hate being on the side of Mogg and Farage but I am sure you do to with being on the side of May, Osborne and Cameron