Is the earth flat?

[Alpha]

Again with the "bending water". Apparently your fixation is with the bending water.

Well.... you don't believe in the laws of gravity, so all subsequent arguments are pointless.

I made some clear observations regarding the Moon, and you revert to bending water.

Ok.

Ok but I just celebrated my 3rd year anniversary last month of being a flat earther. So I have seen almost every claim.

The reason I bring up water, is because it is something that everyone has experience with. We know how the natural physics of water work in this reality. Water will fill it's container and the surface will be flat. You can repeat this for yourself. Now if you claim that it does something else in this reality, then I think it's fair to ask that that claim be demonstrated, so I can observe it myself. repeat it, test it etc.

It's like if I said I could fly, you wouldn't accept an image, video or me just telling you, to make you believe me right?

What type of gravity are you referring to?

[Fenster]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

[Alpha]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

Oh I don't care at all, like I said, I've been at this for 3 years now, trolls are all part of the game, I just thought it was a little inappropriate, possibly bordering on bullying, and it's not something I myself would say to someone else, even jokingly. But I guess as a mod that wouldn't concern you.

You are right about everything we have been taught being bogus, but I disagree that everything we do is utterly pointless. The truth movement is growing at an uncontrollable rate, to the point where YT and search engine algorithms are censoring the topic.

[Fenster]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

Oh I don't care at all, like I said, I've been at this for 3 years now, trolls are all part of the game, I just thought it was a little inappropriate, possibly bordering on bullying, and it's not something I myself would say to someone else, even jokingly. But I guess as a mod that wouldn't concern you.

You are right about everything we have been taught being bogus, but I disagree that everything we do is utterly pointless. The truth movement is growing at an uncontrollable rate, to the point where YT and search engine algorithms are censoring the topic.

I don't understand why anyone gets upset because certain strangers don't like them, that's all (not specifically you). I wouldn't call you a moron or imbecile because I know you're a sensible boxing poster, and, ironically, some of the people who think you're nuts with this conspiracy lark are absolutely batshit delusional when it comes to boxing.

Back to ball earthers...

What exactly will the truth movement do? Every piece of science, discovery, religion, art, literature, nature, food, drink, literally everything we do and have done is utterly meaningless.

[Alpha]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

Oh I don't care at all, like I said, I've been at this for 3 years now, trolls are all part of the game, I just thought it was a little inappropriate, possibly bordering on bullying, and it's not something I myself would say to someone else, even jokingly. But I guess as a mod that wouldn't concern you.

You are right about everything we have been taught being bogus, but I disagree that everything we do is utterly pointless. The truth movement is growing at an uncontrollable rate, to the point where YT and search engine algorithms are censoring the topic.

I don't understand why anyone gets upset because certain strangers don't like them, that's all (not specifically you). I wouldn't call you a moron or imbecile because I know you're a sensible boxing poster, and, ironically, some of the people who think you're nuts with this conspiracy lark are absolutely batshit delusional when it comes to boxing.

Back to ball earthers...

What exactly will the truth movement do? Every piece of science, discovery, religion, art, literature, nature, food, drink, literally everything we do and have done is utterly meaningless.

I'm not sure but it's a secret that they can't keep hidden for too much longer, more and more people are waking up to the lies each day. The FE is the biggest deception, and everything else is related or tied in, in some way.

Now I'm speculating here, but to me it seems like 'they' (the elites, the controllers whatever) are trying to do a slow release of sorts, so that when it does come out, they can try to keep control with as little resistance as possible. So called celebrities like B.O.B. or that Tila Tequila, I think one of those Paul guys, the UN map in our face, there's a lot more.

It's something that I wonder about quite a bit and I don't see a lot of Flat earthers talking about it, what happens to the world when the lie is fully realized? World governments I assume would crumble, no one is going to support these organizations that have stolen and lied to us all this time. But we already do, so I guess the sheeple will all just follow along with the new narrative.

The globe makes us meaningless, it wants us to think we are insignificant, a spec that came from an accident, in an infinite galaxy.

Natural science, objective reality, tangible substances and the common senses that we are all born with, are able to demonstrate observable, testable, repeatable experiments that destroy the lies.

[Beanz]

[Alpha]

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

― Mark Twain

[Beanz]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

Oh I don't care at all, like I said, I've been at this for 3 years now, trolls are all part of the game, I just thought it was a little inappropriate, possibly bordering on bullying, and it's not something I myself would say to someone else, even jokingly. But I guess as a mod that wouldn't concern you.

You are right about everything we have been taught being bogus, but I disagree that everything we do is utterly pointless. The truth movement is growing at an uncontrollable rate, to the point where YT and search engine algorithms are censoring the topic.

SO ...you are not really interested in the scientific method at all. After all the element of doubt and the ability to be skeptical and question science, is what drives it forward. What you really are is a narcissist defending a denialist position. It makes you feel validated to pretend to be scientific and skeptical, it cloaks your bullshit in a respectable lab coat, but you don't employ scientific methods, empirical or otherwise. Scientists have for hundreds of years repeated experiments under controlled conditions and shared that data whereas you are rejecting all evidence as inadmissible,rejecting it out of hand on the principle that you know better without ever having to study, reproduce or understand those experiments. For you it's all about feelings,but not instinct, rather some religious ideal in which you think (mistakenly) you can reject mountains of evidence because you think your personal belief trumps expertise. You live in the same post truth world in which you now have to dig an ever larger hole in which to bury gravity,day,night and all the other inconvenient truths.

You will claim calling you a narcissist is an ad hominem attack but it is hard to draw any other conclusion when you are repeatedly reminding us of how your conclusions are superior to all the greatest minds in history. The fact that people have replied and entertained you for so long is again proof of their empathy and patience,not yours, and 250+ replies while not to be sneezed at, is not earth shattering. The endorsement by Walrus kind of puts you into the select company of some equally 'special' posters and is not something I would wish on anyone with a sense of humour or an open mind.

[TitoFan]

What I find laughable isn't so much Alpha who, at the very least has stuck to his guns. If he would only back off the "Mount Olympus" assertions that only he is dealing in facts and science and the rest of the world is just a bunch of sheep being led around by the nose.... it might lead to better and more constructive dialogues between sides.

But what's laughable are the few who sit on the sidelines, not believing a word or the Flat Earth theories, but content with just sitting back and playing "heckler" with anyone who engages Alpha in the arguments. "I don't believe any of that Flat Earth nonsense... but I'm just gonna potshot so-and-so for arguing with Alpha and trying to convince him of the error of his ways."

TBH, it doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference in anyone's daily life whether some people believe the Earth is flat or not. To believe otherwise is ridiculous and pathetic. And since when did arguing your point on an issue become unacceptable behavior. That's what I mean about the eternal, sneering cynics.... who don't believe in A or B..... but don't contribute a damn thing to society either. Personally I think eternal sneering cynics are the worst type of scourge on today's world. They're either all around the globe, or scattered across the huge disk.

[Alpha]

No disrespect Alpha but why would anyone give a fuck about some forum dude wishing he was dead after you've discovered the greatest lie in history? Hilarious.

With a flat earth literally everything we've ever learnt, thought. know, everything is bogus. Literally nothing is as it seems and nothing works as we believe. Everything we do is utterly pointless.

Oh I don't care at all, like I said, I've been at this for 3 years now, trolls are all part of the game, I just thought it was a little inappropriate, possibly bordering on bullying, and it's not something I myself would say to someone else, even jokingly. But I guess as a mod that wouldn't concern you.

You are right about everything we have been taught being bogus, but I disagree that everything we do is utterly pointless. The truth movement is growing at an uncontrollable rate, to the point where YT and search engine algorithms are censoring the topic.

SO ...you are not really interested in the scientific method at all. After all the element of doubt and the ability to be skeptical and question science, is what drives it forward. What you really are is a narcissist defending a denialist position. It makes you feel validated to pretend to be scientific and skeptical, it cloaks your bullshit in a respectable lab coat, but you don't employ scientific methods, empirical or otherwise. Scientists have for hundreds of years repeated experiments under controlled conditions and shared that data whereas you are rejecting all evidence as inadmissible,rejecting it out of hand on the principle that you know better without ever having to study, reproduce or understand those experiments. For you it's all about feelings,but not instinct, rather some religious ideal in which you think (mistakenly) you can reject mountains of evidence because you think your personal belief trumps expertise. You live in the same post truth world in which you now have to dig an ever larger hole in which to bury gravity,day,night and all the other inconvenient truths.

You will claim calling you a narcissist is an ad hominem attack but it is hard to draw any other conclusion when you are repeatedly reminding us of how your conclusions are superior to all the greatest minds in history. The fact that people have replied and entertained you for so long is again proof of their empathy and patience,not yours, and 250+ replies while not to be sneezed at, is not earth shattering. The endorsement by Walrus kind of puts you into the select company of some equally 'special' posters and is not something I would wish on anyone with a sense of humour or an open mind.

I'm questioning the claims of the globe using science.



The first step in the Scientific Method is to make objective observations.

So tell me, where can we observe a body of water conforming to the exterior of a shape?

I can show you numerous experiments that show how the natural physics of water act in the physical and natural world.

My conclusions are based on science, not assumptions.

The claim of the globe is bodies of water can conform to the exterior of a shape. This claim has no basis in scientific fact. It can't be tested and lacks evidence to support it.

So say what you want, but unless you have something quantifiable or scientific evidence to support the globe claims, it's only an assumption, an assertion or pseudoscience.

I only mention the number of replies because Walrus brought them up, and the fact that no one has brought anything quantifiable to support the globe claims, for something we were all taught was real.

[Beanz]

You are incapable of excercising objectivity Alpha. You have brought nothing to the table but the same jpegs from your infantile 'tek' WordPress site and your religions YouTube manifesto. You certainly have not conducted any observable experiments. Your trump card is the admission that Gravity pulls water towards the centre of the earth.


https://steemit.com/science/@kerrikn...ve-on-a-sphere

[Alpha]

You are incapable of excercising objectivity Alpha. You have brought nothing to the table but the same jpegs from your infantile 'tek' WordPress site and your religions YouTube manifesto. You certainly have not conducted any observable experiments. Your trump card is the admission that Gravity pulls water towards the centre of the earth.


https://steemit.com/science/@kerrikn...ve-on-a-sphere

Of course water can curve, waves are motion, and droplets are caused due to surface tension. I have already explained adhesion, cohesion and meniscus. These are properties of water that we understand and can test. That's not the claim of the globe. The claim of the globe is that bodies of water can conform to the exterior of a shape. So where do we observe a body of water conforming to the exterior of a shape in the natural world? Are you trying to claim that a drop of water has the same properties as a body of water? Or that earth is a drop of water?

As for level, you make another mistake. If one side of a body of water is lower (not level) with the other side, then that body of water will flow down to the lower point, until it fills it's container again and finds it's level. Again this is observable and testable.

Just pouring a glass of water is an observable experiment of the natural physics of water. Where's an observation of your claim?

I have never said that an Ice Wall is a proven fact, another strawman argument your invoking here. I have merely stated that the earth is demonstrably level, and that it must be some sort of container to hold the water in. Based on the natural physics of water.

science
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Since your link mentioned gravity, where do we observe mass attracting mass in the physical and natural world?

Remember the first step in the scientific method. Make an observation. So explain to me how gravity was proven using science and the scientific method.

Oh yeah, and I'm still waiting for you to answer me on how much the earth curves per mile in inches. You claim the Pythagorean theorem is ancient, I already know it's BS, because the earth doesn't curve, but I want you to tell me what the measurements are, since you don't use that method.