Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

[ruthless rocco]

I just spotted over a hundred people viewing this thread? Pac fights still get the Filipinos buzzing

Would I be right in thinking we've actually had a few new members over the last week or so?

The Manny fans are fickle and only come around when he fights.Suprised walrus has hung around this long. He will leave when Pace Man retires.

...but @Master will never leave because Floyd will always be in the spotlight!!!

[X]

I was always a bit of a Naz fan. His fights were huge over here and generated lots of excitement, he was very rarely in a boring snooze fest.

He was a hugely unorthodox fighter, like many Wincobank fighters were, and he had truly freakish power.

However, and I have said this before, his pure talent made him cut corners and his technique was flawed. He had to set his feet for big shots, he was off balance most of the time and he had no defence apart from his reflexes.

We saw what Barrera did to him, and I think that Marquez does the same. Paquiao, with his blistering speed and angles would have overwhelmed Naz I fear

[Master]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

[Primo Carnera]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

How does a peak Naz beat all of the above. I’m curious as to your line of thinking regarding Barrera.

[Master]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

How does a peak Naz beat all of the above. I’m curious as to your line of thinking regarding Barrera.

Naz won the featherweight title late 1995 against Steve Robinson to eventually losing to Barrera 2001 he was dominate with the occasional lapse mainly later in those years.

Naz reflexes, speed, power, unorthodox style and timing made him unify and become the best featherweight in the division.

The peak Naz would have out boxed and out worked Barrera once he realised he could not knock him out. Naz had more variety in his game early on and as his relationship deteriorated with Ingle the less he trained and more he relied on his power. Naz became one dimensional by the time he faced MAB who exposed him for that.

[Primo Carnera]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

How does a peak Naz beat all of the above. I’m curious as to your line of thinking regarding Barrera.

Naz won the featherweight title late 1995 against Steve Robinson to eventually losing to Barrera 2001 he was dominate with the occasional lapse mainly later in those years.

Naz reflexes, speed, power, unorthodox style and timing made him unify and become the best featherweight in the division.

The peak Naz would have out boxed and out worked Barrera once he realised he could not knock him out. Naz had more variety in his game early on and as his relationship deteriorated with Ingle the less he trained and more he relied on his power. Naz became one dimensional by the time he faced MAB who exposed him for that.

Bullshit! Naz and Barrera were the same age (27) and just about peaking. Naz's unorthodox style was exposed by Barrera and once Barrera did this he went on to give Naz a boxing lesson.
I don't want to diss Naz too much because for his size he had freakish strength, and was highly popular and sought after in the Boxing World , hence topping bills in Vegas and earning shitloads of dough. And as far as British Boxers go , he is up there on the all time list.
But on a World level , and comparing to the other names you mentioned, I think you're being at best disrespectful to them and at worst downright fucking delusional!
I'm aware of the "Naz got too big for his boots , leaving Ingle" theory, but that is just an easy out.
admit it, before the Naz/Barrera fight, you had Naz as a massive favourite? this shows that he wasn't "on the slide" as much as you make out.
Barrera simply exposed him and schooled him. People at the top end of the Boxing tree knew that this was possible.
Your fucking mate, a very young Floyd was hounding Naz's connections for a fight for years , even offering to come down in weight for a catchweight contest. Because he could see that he would've tied an unorthodox Naz up in knots.
Don't take my word for it , rewatch the fight.

[Master]

Again you cite age as a factor when it is not always the case. Certain fighters peak young such as Tyson others later in life Johnny Nelson and some just fight at the top level for many years such as Hopkins.

I know Naz lost to Barrera and it was a surprise because Marco had lost to Junior Jones and Morales. Peak Naz would have had a plan B and C if required to beat Barrera. Naz was clueless in the fight so much so that it had to be down to the fact he was finished at the top level. He only fought once after that fight.

Naz beat some quality fighters in his time and to do that he had to adapt. Naz would break down his opponents bit by bit and if he could not stop them he would comprehensively out box them and win on points.

[Memphis]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

How does a peak Naz beat all of the above. I’m curious as to your line of thinking regarding Barrera.

Naz won the featherweight title late 1995 against Steve Robinson to eventually losing to Barrera 2001 he was dominate with the occasional lapse mainly later in those years.

Naz reflexes, speed, power, unorthodox style and timing made him unify and become the best featherweight in the division.

The peak Naz would have out boxed and out worked Barrera once he realised he could not knock him out. Naz had more variety in his game early on and as his relationship deteriorated with Ingle the less he trained and more he relied on his power. Naz became one dimensional by the time he faced MAB who exposed him for that.

Bullshit! Naz and Barrera were the same age (27) and just about peaking. Naz's unorthodox style was exposed by Barrera and once Barrera did this he went on to give Naz a boxing lesson.
I don't want to diss Naz too much because for his size he had freakish strength, and was highly popular and sought after in the Boxing World , hence topping bills in Vegas and earning shitloads of dough. And as far as British Boxers go , he is up there on the all time list.
But on a World level , and comparing to the other names you mentioned, I think you're being at best disrespectful to them and at worst downright fucking delusional!
I'm aware of the "Naz got too big for his boots , leaving Ingle" theory, but that is just an easy out.
admit it, before the Naz/Barrera fight, you had Naz as a massive favourite? this shows that he wasn't "on the slide" as much as you make out.
Barrera simply exposed him and schooled him. People at the top end of the Boxing tree knew that this was possible.
Your fucking mate, a very young Floyd was hounding Naz's connections for a fight for years , even offering to come down in weight for a catchweight contest. Because he could see that he would've tied an unorthodox Naz up in knots.
Don't take my word for it , rewatch the fight.

Master is fucking with you, but.......

Everyone had Naz a favourite. It was a pretty simple equation for most. Naz hit like a truck and Barrera would be happy to get in the way. Barrera flipped the script and boxed a fight most people didn't think he had in him. On the slide is maybe the wrong words to use. It generally implies that physically, what was once there is no longer. Not really the case with Naz and in particular that fight. Physically it was still there but he chose to cover it with a layer of fat which he spent the first half of training camp getting rid of. Whether or not it would have changed the course of the fight is up for debate, some serious, some tongue firmly in cheek to get a rise Whats not up for debate though, well documented. One of them prepared like a demon, one of them didn't.

The same people who knew Naz would get his arse kicked are the same people who knew Calzaghe would humiliate Lacy. Mostly liars.

Everyone wanted a piece of Naz. Roy Jones used to take out full page ads in BM on behalf of Derrick Gainer begging for a fight. Was it because they'd spotted holes in his game? Maybe. Was it because they wanted some of the Naz money? Absolutely.

[sanatogen]

A peak Naz beats Marquez, Barrera and Pac Man. His reflexes and power were second to none.

How does a peak Naz beat all of the above. I’m curious as to your line of thinking regarding Barrera.

Naz won the featherweight title late 1995 against Steve Robinson to eventually losing to Barrera 2001 he was dominate with the occasional lapse mainly later in those years.

Naz reflexes, speed, power, unorthodox style and timing made him unify and become the best featherweight in the division.

The peak Naz would have out boxed and out worked Barrera once he realised he could not knock him out. Naz had more variety in his game early on and as his relationship deteriorated with Ingle the less he trained and more he relied on his power. Naz became one dimensional by the time he faced MAB who exposed him for that.

Bullshit! Naz and Barrera were the same age (27) and just about peaking. Naz's unorthodox style was exposed by Barrera and once Barrera did this he went on to give Naz a boxing lesson.
I don't want to diss Naz too much because for his size he had freakish strength, and was highly popular and sought after in the Boxing

Agree that the Naz that faced Barrera was far removed from the version of Naz before Kevin Kelly fight.

Even at the Kelly fight, Naz was slipping in away that wasnt due to higher competition. Naz went into all attack mode early which suggests to me that he could not box his way out of it.

Anyone care to recall the state of Nazs training camps once he fought more in USA and how much more easily he was hit and why?

What happened to his ambition of 5 weight champ that he declared on UK TV? Was it really BS?

When Naz crossed the pond he deteriorated, dropped his trainer and retired young after his defeat.