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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no...id=mailsignout


I remember in my discussions with Lyle about the removal of Confederate statues, where we basically agreed this was a bad move. I personally didn't mind the decision late last year to rename the Julian Carr Building in the Duke University campus... but have always agreed that removing Confederate statues is akin to that slippery slope that's always been talked about. You start there.... where does it end.

So to find this in the news today was a bit worrisome. Basically the university president is claiming that part of the university community has expressed their objections to the murals because, to quote the article, "many have come to see the murals as at best blind to the consequences of Columbus's voyage" for indigenous people". Wow.

Don't even know where to start with that one... so many faults, misconceptions, and lapses in logic.
It is a bit difficult to know what to think when there are no images of the murals in the article. At least they are not destroying them with a knee jerk response. The demonstration to protest the apparent 'Offensive and stereotypical' portrayal of the Native Americans by some Vatican artist seems to have been conducted peacefully enough. It seems that the part of the University community that object are Native American. Does their opinion not count then?


Unless the murals depict Columbus gunning down Indians, I fail to see the grounds on which these people would object to them. To me it's not whether or not their opinion counts. But shouldn't it be weighed against the opinion of the majority?

Again, as with the Confederate statues issue, I stress that the emphasis should be on the treatment of the people now. Whether it's blacks with the Confederate issue, or American Indians with the Columbus murals..... let's be real here.

Symbols of past history are just that. Shouldn't we be focusing on how these people are being treated nowadays, instead of the pointless eradication of centuries-old statues?
Nobody has suggested eradicating them, quite the opposite they are talking about not only protecting them but taking hi-res images to display and thenuncovering them for special occasions. Of course I don't think the opinion of the majority counts for more if they are not the people being depicted. To be honest if the murals depicted Columbus gunning down Native Americans then at lest they would be honest depictions and i personally would not see the problem. If they are showing the indigenous people as looking stupid, primitive, retarded etc then why would anyone want to preserve that? We do not know what the murals look like so who knows?

Surely Nehru, Ghandi and Master's ancestors are Indians and these people depicted are not?