I was never into them really, only one I saw live was the one with Tarver, it was better than I had expected. On a side note, Stallone is actually a really small guy in stature. An old friend met him in Hawaii and got a picture with him on the beach, my friend is maybe 5’7 or something and he was quite a bit taller than Stallone, who was out of shape and looked almost as wide as he was tall. I suspect they used camera tricks galore to make it look semi realistic having him in with Carl weathers or Dolph lundgren.