The entire Rocky Franchise is shite

[Master]

You are talking bollocks. Fact

V aside each hold its own when considered against the era it was made in.

How many other character franchises are still going strong after 43 years?

I think even 5 is pretty good. One is the best, but they all have something. First 2 are proper films, next two are more action films, 5 is a return to 1 and 2, but not as strong. Balboa was reasonable. No interest in the new ones at all.

You should try the new ones. They work. Trust me. I wasn’t happy when they first announced them but was very surprised

I saw Creed getting a good reception so I watched that, but I had trouble understanding what the characters were saying. A lot of mumbling going on and characters you don't really get into unlike the original 6. I love characters like Adrien, Paulie, Mickey, and Rocky. They all gel so well. It was nice how they grew Apollo too. Apart from Rocky I didn't really feel Creed. I will check out the new one, but the originals are films I can always watch again and again.

There is a lot of "mumbling" when Rocky speaks so you should be used to it in Creed. Michael B Jordon is awesome actor.

Creed 1 and 2 are excellent, they have a good story and the training sequences are good as well.

[Gandalf]

Not just mumbling but also weird accents and slang that I do not follow. They make Sly sound like Jeremy Irons by comparison. The early films had chemistry. Adrien and Rocky were perfect. Paulie was an arse but you loved him. Mickey was spot on. Perfect symbiosis of composite parts.