Who beats Mike Tyson?

[Master]

Why does everyone forget the fact that in Round 8 Douglas was down for a full 12 seconds.
Doesn't matter that Tyson was nowhere near fighting fit the fact is he beat Douglas fair and square but because of the refs fuck up the fight continued.
There was a massive inquest launched but the powers that be never reversed it or ordered an immediate rematch.

Douglas was watching the ref and was waiting to get up at the right time. Same as Tunney was against Dempsey.

It would have been a travesty if they stole the title from Douglas that day.

They tried and nearly did.

[smashup]

It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

[Memphis]

This has been done to death, there are side by sides of the count they got and they're identical. The count for both was picked up at the same time and at the same speed. The knock on that of course is that why did one get stopped and one didn't? One was engaged with the referee early in the count and looked ready to continue, the other was groping around for his mouthpiece glassy eyed and unable to get it back in his gob.

Slow count, maybe. But fair on one and not the other not a chance.

[smashup]

The side by side video means nothing. Douglas was down for a full 12/13 seconds, not on his way down but on his back because the ref fucked up and stsrted the count late. Meaning Tyson shouldn't have even been in the 9th or 10th rounds because he scored a KO victory in the 8th.
You cant have one ref giving a fighter extra time to recover when most refs don't.
What next..... a standing 11 count 😁

[Spicoli]

Better for Mike that the count hubbub didn't result in ko win. Either way controversy would have followed and if no rematch I think he would have walked into the already set Holyfield fight the same way and get chewed up. Majority of those listed had such a wide gap in how the fights and loss came about that a few yrs wouldn't seem to make up. All fall the same save maybe for Tucker and Smith who both had him shook then sheltered up but made the final bell. Quick Tillis did pretty well and controlled sizable gaps in the action vs a young Tyson too.

[p4pking]

It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

Surely it matters more than anything else? If the ref had started a couple seconds sooner, whose to say Douglas wouldn’t have gotten up faster? The refs count was the only thing he had to go by. If a guys just been dropped hard he might not know the difference between ten seconds and fifty unless he hears it. It’s the exact same premise that came up for Fury against Wilder. This almost never gets beat to death in other instances where a referee buys a guy time either. How many times have we seen bad point deductions, the doctor called ringside to examine a cut right when a guy was taking punishment, way too much time for a gumshield out or loose tape on the gloves, etc?

[smashup]

It doesnt matter what Douglas was watching the fact is the ref visibly started the count 2 maybe 3 seconds after Douglas was fully down.
What use is a 10 count if its started late, there has to be consistently from refs, maybe a 15 count is ok in your eyes?

Surely it matters more than anything else? If the ref had started a couple seconds sooner, whose to say Douglas wouldn’t have gotten up faster? The refs count was the only thing he had to go by. If a guys just been dropped hard he might not know the difference between ten seconds and fifty unless he hears it. It’s the exact same premise that came up for Fury against Wilder. This almost never gets beat to death in other instances where a referee buys a guy time either. How many times have we seen bad point deductions, the doctor called ringside to examine a cut right when a guy was taking punishment, way too much time for a gumshield out or loose tape on the gloves, etc?

Or Wilder being gifted an extra 30 seconds to recover between rounds for no apparent reason when Ortiz nearly knocked him down.

[Fenster]

What's more silly is the "long count" happens every single week all over the world but fans don't even realise or take a blind bit of notice. The famous events get scrutinized which leads fans to believe something untoward happened that is basically the norm.

How many fans even know commissions all over the world have different rules? Refs in Vegas have different instructions to those in New York, London and Tokyo. And that's ignoring their own personal characteristics.

[Spicoli]

What's more silly is the "long count" happens every single week all over the world but fans don't even realise or take a blind bit of notice. The famous events get scrutinized which leads fans to believe something untoward happened that is basically the norm.

How many fans even know commissions all over the world have different rules? Refs in Vegas have different instructions to those in New York, London and Tokyo. And that's ignoring their own personal characteristics.

So goes the sport though, the names always get the pop but you're right guys in clubs and no name venues get screwed over weekly in one regard or another. There are 'unifies rules' in place but it often comes down to the competency of local State commissions and everyone being on the same page and on the level. The biggest confusion still seems to be the ruling of NC or tech draws when it comes to cuts or fouls prematurely stopping a fight. The scoring of partial rounds is a recipe for problems imo.

[Mr140]

Buster beat the count that was given so i really do not see what the point was in making a fuss over it. I mean he was waiting on the count he could have got up earlier if he needed to nothing to discuss really.

[Syntax Error]

Forget Bruno & Williams; they both fought that version of Tyson & came up short.

Out of the others, I would say Tony Tucker most likely and maybe Boneclutcher Smith if he let go of Tyson long enough to let his hands go.

He actually hurt Tyson more than any other fighter had hurt him right at the end of their snoozefest in '87 & Tyson finished the fight on unsteady legs.

If Smith had a bit more belief, maybe heavyweight history would look somewhat different today.