Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

[TitoFan]

Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

The rest of your post is the same old senseless, tired old gibberish... so I'll only address this part.


Why indeed.


Let's pause for a second Beanz, and I'll give you a moment to reflect on that question..... as I ask anyone reading this to reflect on that same question.

(reflective pause)


So basically what you're saying is..... that it's a majority thing. That if there are some brave women out there who don't mind fighting transgender women..... that it should be ok then..... and all others (women boxers I'm talking about).... the ones who don't want to face transgenders in the ring..... should just shut their mouths because there are a few women out there who don't mind.

Is THAT what you're saying?

I want to make sure I understand correctly, because this is where your stance, argument, credibility, and the whole ball of wax comes tumbling down like so many pins in a bowling alley.

Again, I didn't post the quotes of the "pro-transgender" women boxers.... so (according to you) it's automatically ok to have transgenders fight women boxers, no questions asked.

If just ONE of those who DON'T want to fight transgenders is at some point a champion in her division.... and her mandatory is a transgender..... if she refuses, she gets stripped. If she says why she refuses she'll be ridiculed and ostracized, because society and those erudite people such as yourself have ruled that transgenders have every right to fight women in the ring.

Ironically, it's the same damn bullying you accuse others of. The only bullying here is your own, and you reflect it onto others with your remarkable skill.

Notice, there are no insults in this post.... no name calling. I don't want to dilute the question/statement you've posted because I want everyone to see exactly what the crux of this argument is.



The bottom line here is:

I and a few others do not agree with this because we care and fear for the safety of women boxers. Transgenderism in itself isn't being attacked here, just the notion that if "X" fighter wants to change from a man into a woman and fight women, it's potentially dangerous and shouldn't be approved carte blanche. The definitions of "transitioning" aren't even clear, and the rules are loose and flimsy at best.

You and a few others take this as an affront to the rights of others, and you fall back to your predictable "Oh you're trying to tell others what to do" stance. You care more about the conflict than about seriously talking about the safety of women boxers. You fail to see the forest for the trees.



I'm not going to claim some funny thread victory, like Miles is wont to do....... but in this very serious subject, and judging by your question above...... you haven't got a damn leg to stand on.

In fact, if Alpha was still here, I'd buy HIM a beer (like you'd do with Swanson), and tell him it's ok. That claiming the world is flat is relatively harmless..... next to the ridiculous claims YOU'RE making on this topic.

[Gandalf]

Tito why did you not posts quotes from the three female boxers who were quite happy to fight a trans opponent? The ones who had no problem with it and the ones who said with all the steroids around what's the difference? Why did you not post the quote from the female boxer who said bring it on and that the question was just another excuse to portray women as weak?

The rest of your post is the same old senseless, tired old gibberish... so I'll only address this part.


Why indeed.


Let's pause for a second Beanz, and I'll give you a moment to reflect on that question..... as I ask anyone reading this to reflect on that same question.

(reflective pause)


So basically what you're saying is..... that it's a majority thing. That if there are some brave women out there who don't mind fighting transgender women..... that it should be ok then..... and all others (women boxers I'm talking about).... the ones who don't want to face transgenders in the ring..... should just shut their mouths because there are a few women out there who don't mind.

Is THAT what you're saying?

I want to make sure I understand correctly, because this is where your stance, argument, credibility, and the whole ball of wax comes tumbling down like so many pins in a bowling alley.

Again, I didn't post the quotes of the "pro-transgender" women boxers.... so (according to you) it's automatically ok to have transgenders fight women boxers, no questions asked.

If just ONE of those who DON'T want to fight transgenders is at some point a champion in her division.... and her mandatory is a transgender..... if she refuses, she gets stripped. If she says why she refuses she'll be ridiculed and ostracized, because society and those erudite people such as yourself have ruled that transgenders have every right to fight women in the ring.

Ironically, it's the same damn bullying you accuse others of. The only bullying here is your own, and you reflect it onto others with your remarkable skill.

Notice, there are no insults in this post.... no name calling. I don't want to dilute the question/statement you've posted because I want everyone to see exactly what the crux of this argument is.



The bottom line here is:

I and a few others do not agree with this because we care and fear for the safety of women boxers. Transgenderism in itself isn't being attacked here, just the notion that if "X" fighter wants to change from a man into a woman and fight women, it's potentially dangerous and shouldn't be approved carte blanche. The definitions of "transitioning" aren't even clear, and the rules are loose and flimsy at best.

You and a few others take this as an affront to the rights of others, and you fall back to your predictable "Oh you're trying to tell others what to do" stance. You care more about the conflict than about seriously talking about the safety of women boxers. You fail to see the forest for the trees.



I'm not going to claim some funny thread victory, like Miles is wont to do....... but in this very serious subject, and judging by your question above...... you haven't got a damn leg to stand on.

In fact, if Alpha was still here, I'd buy HIM a beer (like you'd do with Swanson), and tell him it's ok. That claiming the world is flat is relatively harmless..... next to the ridiculous claims YOU'RE making on this topic.

Own it. Steal the moment. Declare victory. Only Beanster takes it seriously.

[Beanz]

Tito you still haven't explained why you left the first female boxer asked and then the third Mia St John out when you were pretending to be allow female boxers speak for themselves. I mean that is not accidental is it? Nobody mentioned majority anything, it's not mob rule. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you must necessarily take the equally stupid opposite stance on things. Miles does exactly the same thing. You both get affronted and take things personally if you daft arguments are exposed for the ill thought out rubbish masquerading as reason that they really are.

[TitoFan]

Tito you still haven't explained why you left the first female boxer asked and then the third Mia St John out when you were pretending to be allow female boxers speak for themselves. I mean that is not accidental is it? Nobody mentioned majority anything, it's not mob rule. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you must necessarily take the equally stupid opposite stance on things. Miles does exactly the same thing. You both get affronted and take things personally if you daft arguments are exposed for the ill thought out rubbish masquerading as reason that they really are.

Trashy, flimsy counter argument. Nobody here is saying anything about mob rule, you dolt. You're grasping at straws so desperately you're coming apart at the seams.

Does it matter that other women boxers are ok with it? Does it even enter that feeble brain of yours that maybe they feel pressured to say as much, secretly hoping they themselves don't have to face one?

Furthermore, even if it was just ONE female boxer who was not ok with it, her feelings must be considered. It's HER body... HER safety... HER livelihood. But you don't give a shit about that. All you see in front of you is the argument for argument's sake. What a lousy human being you are.

Your argument grows weaker and more pathetic by the second.

If it was only my opinion, whack away. But it's the opinion of female boxers themselves! Does that not mean anything to you? And you've got the nerve to say you stick up for women? Fucking liar.

You are the laughing stock of this forum, and you know it.

The mature thing for you to do would be to admit that for once you're wrong (in reality it's much more often than that, but once would suffice).

But that would take an adult manning up to his mistake, and I've already shown you're genetically unable to do such a thing.