Today in Trump

[El Kabong]

The very Dossier which got this entire shitstorm started (when John McCain delivered it to the Obama White House and then to the media despite it being unverified) is bogus. It was written in 2007 by Fusion GPS's Glenn Simpson.

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-new...ier-russiagate



....funny how this all could have been avoided had Hillary not been a shrieking monotoned cunt and campaigned in Wisconsin or won Pennsylvania.....yeah shame that.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

[walrus]

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

Yeah Kirk we can take all that to hart after a former CIA Director said there is mountains of evidence of collusion. Why don’t you give it up. Why don’t you ever comment in the brexit thread people have a lot of questions about the financial ascpects and ramifications you could sort it all out for everyone. You have been wrong here too many times. You just follow and parrot the media outlets that were wrong about everything so far

[walrus]

Seriously what is your obsession with this topic that drives you not to comment on the English issues your country is facing

[Spicoli]

Be good to see when the actual full report is released rather than the flash card version. Seems to be wide bi partisan agreement on that so matter of time and must be done. I'd say a President, leader of the free world needs to be careful when tossing around treason in regards to a free press or political opponents. Trump has every right to peacock the yard and admonish call out specifics. I get the anger. But to cast wide nets of that vague inflammatory talk is irresponsible and beneath the office. You wanna see 'bad things evil things' perpetrated by 'bad people' keep throwing those verbal moltovs around and start the clock. Thats not us. That's not what we do. That talk is best left to despots and banana republics. This country needs to go forward, desperatly. I want policy, not school yard shit talkers just trying to one up each other in the business of gotcha.

[Freedom]

Thats where the line blurs. I don't care about 'negative stories' about Russia. They unquestionably attempted and did interfere in elections and continue to do so. I care about the U.S. and I care that the office of the Presidency and POTUS not be in the habit of licking Putins boots.

He doesn't lick Putin's boots, that's nonsense.

But he does lick Netanyahu's boots. That's a fair and deserved criticism.

[TitoFan]

Be good to see when the actual full report is released rather than the flash card version. Seems to be wide bi partisan agreement on that so matter of time and must be done. I'd say a President, leader of the free world needs to be careful when tossing around treason in regards to a free press or political opponents. Trump has every right to peacock the yard and admonish call out specifics. I get the anger. But to cast wide nets of that vague inflammatory talk is irresponsible and beneath the office. You wanna see 'bad things evil things' perpetrated by 'bad people' keep throwing those verbal moltovs around and start the clock. Thats not us. That's not what we do. That talk is best left to despots and banana republics. This country needs to go forward, desperatly. I want policy, not school yard shit talkers just trying to one up each other in the business of gotcha.

"Beneath the office"


Brought to mind the limbo dance, where the bar keeps getting lowered and lowered... and dancers just have get under it to keep in contention.

[walrus]

Thats where the line blurs. I don't care about 'negative stories' about Russia. They unquestionably attempted and did interfere in elections and continue to do so. I care about the U.S. and I care that the office of the Presidency and POTUS not be in the habit of licking Putins boots.

He doesn't lick Putin's boots, that's nonsense.

But he does lick Netanyahu's boots. That's a fair and deserved criticism.

I have to agree with you on a part of this freedom. What the hell was thst golan heights thing. It is also strange these new attacks come right on the week of Israel voting. I’m not looking at a conspiracy theory thing just find the timing odd.

[walrus]

Google up to its bullshit

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...er_report.html

[walrus]

Google up to more bullshit after bullshit being pointed out

[El Kabong]

Barr to Mueller:
“Bob, show me the evidence and reasoning for why this investigation was started and still ongoing.”
Mueller to Barr:
“With regards to the President we have found no links or ties to any foreign entity etc”
Barr to Mueller:
“Mandate was clear - verify and investigate reports of possible foreign collusion between President & Russia.” “What justification existed to effectively launch a massive domestic / foreign surv campaign against the President (pres elect / president) and members of his transition / campaign team?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Steele dossier along w/ media corroboration of those findings.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was the Steele report a ‘trusted and verified’ report per Intel to continue especially considering the funding party was the opposition party?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Those facts were never taken into consideration.” “FISC granted auth to conduct based on conclusions presented.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was FISC made aware of all details surrounding the dossier?”
Mueller to Barr:
“No.” “We believe there was urgency placed on the auth given the gravity and timeline of events that those involved negated to populate fully.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Why were efforts made to continue investigating the President, interrupt his official capacity in governing, if the only doc presented was unsubstantiated and unverified?” “Why were questions and threat of subpoena communicated to the President if no factual foundation existed?”
“All charges thus far are unrelated to the original mandate - why are you still active and pursuing a crime if no verifiable evidence or evidence through discovery exists?”
Barr to RR:
“What justification did you have to effectively expand the mandate, not report that expansion to Congress, in order to seek a crime outside of R collusion?” “What specific reasoning and/or facts existed to justify the appointment of a SC to begin with per the law?” “Why did you recommend to Sessions that he should recuse?” “Why wasn’t the mandate / budget and regular updates provided to Congress upon request?” “Why is everything kept confidential and under inappropriate classification?” “Was the purpose of investigating to find a crime vs investigate evidence of a crime?”


....guess we'll wait and see

[El Kabong]

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

Mr. Cohen is in deep shit due to his taxi medallion issues for which they threatened his wife with hard time too, ergo his eagerness to "cooperate" and in all honesty what has he provided?

The EASIEST route for him would be to cop to going to Prague would it not? He's done nothing but deny it!

Again, 0 Russian collusion. There's tax issues with some folks, "lying to the FBI" for some folks (about what exactly), but nah no collusion, no nothing worth a shit.

Did Trump talk to Russians about building at our in Moscow? Perhaps probably Russia is / was a hot real estate market and before he ran for President Donald Trump was in the real estate business but just because he talked to somebody and the plans were later scrapped doesn't mean he colluded to win an election that I'm sorry I've been told he didn't even mean to win. The story that has been concocted about Donald Trump is so convoluted it makes my hair hurt. Are we just not going to pay attention to the CIA and FBI and Clinton foundation and MI6 and Russian ties to those groups are are are we going to forget about that or we going to memory hole that?

[Gandalf]

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

So is this proof of Russian collusion? You know who did actually collude with the Russians, right?

[El Kabong]

[Gandalf]

https://youtu.be/XGsQakrfIio