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A different debate, Al. However, I agree completely. Nobody is forcing anyone to take on things they cannot afford. However, it would be nicer for the working classes if immigration was halted. It destroys the chances of the poor to compete and drains the countries the migrants come from. Beyond the EU and it is just a complete welfare drain. It is immoral.
From my perspective of what illegal immigration (and easing of immigration laws) has done for/to America and the American working class. Folks coming from places where they make pennies on the dollar compared to American workers will come to America, get a massive pay rise (which is oftentimes lower than minimum wage) and thereby depress the wages of the working class. They also overload the supply of working class bodies needed for working class jobs thereby further diminishing the wages paid to these working class folks by the very simple law of supply and demand.


Also if you're Mexico or Honduras or Nicaragua or Panama and you're able to either offload pure criminals, ne'er-do-wells, or actual solid workers (who will funnel money back to their family in Panama thereby boosting how much they can spend in Panama or whatever) then you're benefiting your own nation and harming America.


The ONLY people who benefit from massive immigration and open borders are the super wealthy in nations immigrants come from and where they go to. Poor nations will remain poor, wealthy nations will be made poor, and soon those wealthy nations will have the very same gorgeous gated communities with security sat right next to the worst slums, barrios, and favelas imaginable.


Look at California right now it's already happening. And I imagine the same will eventually be true int he UK if not already.
The predictable anti-immigration argument this has descended into is a clear example of the scapegoating that has come to replace facing any real search for truth or answers. It is a false argument that is not truer for being repeated again and again. immigration not only creates jobs and wealth it is what has made Britain Great. Anyone who argue oterwise knows very little about the history they pretend to value.

Immigrants, the disabled, the unemployed are all rolled out as excuses for spending cuts and the church of austerity. Look at the heart of this tread and what is alleged. It could just as easily be Titled -


White English Bloke gets 28 days in Prison, Foreign Muslim scum gets let off by the PC babies in power



The resentment is not just palpable it is blatant. People want an easy life and they think difficult questions, even competition for work is unfair whilst telling us what good little capitalist slaves they are. You could not make it up. So bitter are they that anyone suggesting that a bloke who has been in and out of prison going around the country starting fights and demonizing Muslims might be a bigot that they have to resort to calling people mentally ill or having Daddy issues or being an arrogant prick.

The anti immigration thing is a very handy fake news distraction from the real issues and the divisiveness and encouragement toward violence is very clear whenever Tommy is mentioned. It is not coincidence it is exactly what he wants because hilariously he can't be bothered to get a proper job.