Racism/Chimp Pic/BBC/Royals/Danny Baker Sacked

[Fenster]

Nobody here knows shit about racism, but it doesn't stop everyone from talking up a storm.

Racism isn't words. It's an attitude and a set of held beliefs. If you say "nigger" in a conversation, but in all honesty do not consider blacks to be inferior or objectionable, then you're not racist. If said person says "nigger" to a black person and the black person objects, usually the first person will refrain from using the word so as to not offend the black person. This is not rocket science. It's basic human nature and principles of human decency. The same goes for every race, ethnic group, gender, and every other worldly distinction which separates us from one another.

You could be squeaky clean in your lexicon and be the world's worst racist.

This is exactly why it's not simple. The crux of this argument is a man got sacked for posting a chimp pic, he swears blind the intent wasn't aimed at black people in any way, he has never done/said a racist thing in 61 years and everyone who knows him backs him up. He has literally fought against racist/facists. However, not only is losing his job not sufficient punishment, whole swathes of society want him arrested. I've heard dozens of black people washing away any defence of him with - "yeah, right, closet racist."

You use the word nigger, regardless of context, how will you prove the intent wasn't racist? Like Batman's example of "niggardly," he was taken to task for fear of offending people who don't understand the meaning, for fear of offending a lack of intelligence. Mad world.

What shocks me most about it it is

Nobody has made a Joke about Danny and Daz and asking someone on the doorstep if they are proud of their whites

Nobody has brought up Meghans hubby actually choosing to dress up as an actual Nazi....for fun

I've heard the history of Royals - Harry dressing as a Nazi - being brought up several times when people are crying about the terrible life the baby is going to endure in racist evil Britain and the Royal family (i'm honestly offended by people who cry about the hardship of Royals).

The most common reply is - "Just because a white man marries a black woman doesn't mean they're not racist." (like you with the Asian wives club )

[X]

I wasn't being racist, just saying that the girl already looks like a monkey, bless her. I'm a bit confused how saying a white woman looks vaguely simian is racist ..... but as you say, it's all getting a bit bonkers.

maybe it's 'speciesist'?

Inalsomthink the comedian Miranda Hart looks like a fish, and Ian Hislop looks like a sloth.

[Gandalf]

I wasn't being racist, just saying that the girl already looks like a monkey, bless her. I'm a bit confused how saying a white woman looks vaguely simian is racist ..... but as you say, it's all getting a bit bonkers.

maybe it's 'speciesist'?

Inalsomthink the comedian Miranda Hart looks like a fish, and Ian Hislop looks like a sloth.

You sound like Danny Baker. BTW, I agree with you.

[BIG H]

He wasn't been racist FFS - he's a clever dude. The people that took it as 'racist' are the ones with the issue, they are the one's thinking that Black people are chimps, probably never crossed his mind.

Fucking Royals do my head in. Time for a revolution. How in 2019 can we just accept that this family have a divine right to live in castles and turn up for talks about the plight of poverty in a gold encrusted carriage?

'Oh but they bring in more than they cost' Do they fuck, Paris has enough tourism without a Monarchy, people don't visit historical building to actually meet the queen. Get rid of them all!

[El Kabong]

Are you kidding me @BIG H ?!?!?!?!

Stephen Fry accused of using White Power gesture in post about mental health
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/13/steph...ealth-9511668/




Racism is EVERYWHERE

[Beanz]

Are you kidding me @BIG H ?!?!?!?!

Stephen Fry accused of using White Power gesture in post about mental health
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/13/steph...ealth-9511668/




Racism is EVERYWHERE

That seems to be more abut the fact that people are offended by people not being offended. It's quite clear there is nothing subliminal or troll like in using an overt OK sign. The whole issue with it for me is that when you dick around holding upside down by your side covertly is that you give credence to people with nothing better to do than troll and bait and then act surprised when it is co-opted by actual alt-right and racists fucks. About a year back I had to tell a few fighters on weigh in photos to pack it in if they wanted to be taken seriously. Stick it on your facebook photos if you like, but the promoter is not going to catch shit just so you can have a laugh with your mates.

It's a bit like your Pepe sig. I and most people here may know you are not alt-right etc, but in the end instead of trying to show how stupid other people are in falling for a prank, you end up looking like somebody who wants people to be outraged so that you can be offended at them taking offense.

People are addicted to outrage and they make the mistake of thinking that it is one way traffic. Carl Benjamin on the BBC today trying to do a Jordan Peterson is a case in point. If he wants to insist that words have no power then you have no right to whinge about the media misconstruing a willfully provocative and offensive remark. To then bottle it, and then rather than like a man admit it was a stupid and childish thing to say, pretend it was a joke, is him acting no better than the majority of people whom he mistakenly thinks he inhabits the moral high ground over.

And yes unfortunately mate, racism is everywhere, and very much more overt and violent in this country in the last couple of years. Citing examples of pretend racism does not make it go away.

[Gandalf]

Steven Fry does a gesture harmless gesture...turns into a Beanz rant about Peterson and Carl Benjamin. Welcome to the world of Saddo's.

[Gandalf]

Are you kidding me @BIG H ?!?!?!?!

Stephen Fry accused of using White Power gesture in post about mental health
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/13/steph...ealth-9511668/




Racism is EVERYWHERE

That seems to be more abut the fact that people are offended by people not being offended. It's quite clear there is nothing subliminal or troll like in using an overt OK sign. The whole issue with it for me is that when you dick around holding upside down by your side covertly is that you give credence to people with nothing better to do than troll and bait and then act surprised when it is co-opted by actual alt-right and racists fucks. About a year back I had to tell a few fighters on weigh in photos to pack it in if they wanted to be taken seriously. Stick it on your facebook photos if you like, but the promoter is not going to catch shit just so you can have a laugh with your mates.

It's a bit like your Pepe sig. I and most people here may know you are not alt-right etc, but in the end instead of trying to show how stupid other people are in falling for a prank, you end up looking like somebody who wants people to be outraged so that you can be offended at them taking offense.

People are addicted to outrage and they make the mistake of thinking that it is one way traffic. Carl Benjamin on the BBC today trying to do a Jordan Peterson is a case in point. If he wants to insist that words have no power then you have no right to whinge about the media misconstruing a willfully provocative and offensive remark. To then bottle it, and then rather than like a man admit it was a stupid and childish thing to say, pretend it was a joke, is him acting no better than the majority of people whom he mistakenly thinks he inhabits the moral high ground over.

And yes unfortunately mate, racism is everywhere, and very much more overt and violent in this country in the last couple of years. Citing examples of pretend racism does not make it go away.

This the interview?

He bottled nothing and told the truth, it was a provocative and edgy joke. End of. You live in a horribly tedious world of correctness. Nobody in the comments there agrees with you and neither do I. You must be speaking for the entire UK as usual. And who are these racist Asians too? What did they do to you exactly?

Let people watch and make up their own minds, eh.