The Brexit Thread

[El Kabong]

I watched the video in it's entirety. If that is what you believe and how you feel then there you have it. I personally think Communism a poor way to run an economy, but perhaps unlike his fellow travelers this time it will be a rousing success and there WON'T be millions upon millions of dead bodies stacked up in the name of "progress" and "solidarity".


This time will be different, this time will be TRUE communism and the revolution will succeed



I'm only surprised how many "true believers" are still left. I figured Lenin, Stalin, and Mao had killed them all off. Oh well perhaps a mass extinction of humans would fix that pesky global warming crisis.

[Beanz]

I watched the video in it's entirety. If that is what you believe and how you feel then there you have it. I personally think Communism a poor way to run an economy, but perhaps unlike his fellow travelers this time it will be a rousing success and there WON'T be millions upon millions of dead bodies stacked up in the name of "progress" and "solidarity".


This time will be different, this time will be TRUE communism and the revolution will succeed



I'm only surprised how many "true believers" are still left. I figured Lenin, Stalin, and Mao had killed them all off. Oh well perhaps a mass extinction of humans would fix that pesky global warming crisis.

He is not a communist. I am not a communist. You are basically saying you would rather have a corrupt EU , banking and corporate system carrying on like it always have rather than reforming a system in a way that is sustainable and could help transform working people's lives all over Europe and environmental and social challenges face by the whole world. The current version of capitalism is killing over 200 species a day and polluting the planet in a way that can not be undone. When you have one twentieth of his experience of economics and the inner workings of government and the corruption in it and the EU then maybe come back and suggest an alternative.


He is a communist, or you are all communists, is not going to cut it.

Karl Mark was not the antichrist but he did forsee the future.

[Master]

I watched the video too and thought he made some real good points.

[El Kabong]

He is not a communist. I am not a communist. You are basically saying you would rather have a corrupt EU , banking and corporate system carrying on like it always have rather than reforming a system in a way that is sustainable and could help transform working people's lives all over Europe and environmental and social challenges face by the whole world. The current version of capitalism is killing over 200 species a day and polluting the planet in a way that can not be undone. When you have one twentieth of his experience of economics and the inner workings of government and the corruption in it and the EU then maybe come back and suggest an alternative.


He is a communist, or you are all communists, is not going to cut it.

Karl Mark was not the antichrist but he did forsee the future.

I'd rather there be no EU at all.

I don't believe Marx was much of a genius or at all good with money. But it is what it is. I value life, I won't wish Communism/Socialism/Marxism on Europe....deaths would follow too numerous to count and those in charge wouldn't bat an eye.

[Gandalf]

The reason I support Brexit is the same reason I have repeated a thousand times. Parliament must be the highest sovereign body and countries with less centralization have more autonomy thus a greater chance of democracy. I do not agree that the EU can ve reformed and the vote was already had. Anyone who ignores or rejects a popular vote is a fascist. When Scotland lost the referendum I thought it was a shame, but I accepted it. The anti Brexit mob should show the same decency. There is more to life than money. There is something called integrity and just doing the right thing.

[Beanz]

The reason I support Brexit is the same reason I have repeated a thousand times. Parliament must be the highest sovereign body and countries with less centralization have more autonomy thus a greater chance of democracy. I do not agree that the EU can ve reformed and the vote was already had. Anyone who ignores or rejects a popular vote is a fascist. When Scotland lost the referendum I thought it was a shame, but I accepted it. The anti Brexit mob should show the same decency. There is more to life than money. There is something called integrity and just doing the right thing.

You would not know recognise integrity if it came up and poured a vat of milkshake over your head. You supported and continue to support the money. For you it has only ever been about the money.

[Gandalf]

The reason I support Brexit is the same reason I have repeated a thousand times. Parliament must be the highest sovereign body and countries with less centralization have more autonomy thus a greater chance of democracy. I do not agree that the EU can ve reformed and the vote was already had. Anyone who ignores or rejects a popular vote is a fascist. When Scotland lost the referendum I thought it was a shame, but I accepted it. The anti Brexit mob should show the same decency. There is more to life than money. There is something called integrity and just doing the right thing.

You would not know recognise integrity if it came up and poured a vat of milkshake over your head. You supported and continue to support the money. For you it has only ever been about the money.

All you do is project and demonize. Your post is awful.

Yes, I do have integrity. I respect the will of the people. You on the other hand continue to writhe and squirm degrading them. Who is it with the superiority complex exactly? You think you are right, but I happen to think the people are right.

I do not support nor continue to support money. I have always said it is about self determination and independence. You keep projecting whatever deals Farage has done onto me. I am not even supporting Farage considering him a traitor. I am supporting UKIP.

In the last year I have reduced my income by a considerable sum. I chose to do that and am happier for it as I know I have my integrity. I am not all about the money. I am about quality of life and doing what is right. You do not need a lot of money to live well. People can and should live within their means.

It is about time you pulled yourself together and quit with the attitude problem you have. I am giving you an opportunity to wind your neck back in. It is you with the fixation and addiction and self confessed mental issues. Control yourself.

[El Kabong]

Did the moneyed elite vote in favor of Brexit or against? If Brexit is all about the money then why the fear mongering around enacting Brexit making everyone poor?

Who Voted for the Brexit?
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-union/488780/
Turns out that average levels of education of the people in a region correlate quite strongly with their Brexit leanings. People in areas where many residents have college degrees were far more likely to vote “Remain,” particularly in central London, where more than two-thirds of the city population has a bachelor’s degree. Hosting a sizable immigrant population seemed to sway communities against leaving in the European Union, and denser cities tended against “Leave” overall.

Other factors mattered less. The median age of a community, despite the much emphasized youths-versus-retirees clash that many said would define the referendum, ended up correlating only slightly with how the vote actually went. And while median income did predict results as expected—with lower income Britons favoring an exit—it still wasn’t as tight a relationship as some of the other factor

[Gandalf]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

[Beanz]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

The point is that it will be exactly the same and if anything even more corrupt. See how even when the corruption at the heart of Brexit's figure head is exposed you persist with the pretense and fantasy that it represents real change. I should imagine that is why you mocked Yanis coming to London and will not watch the video I posted above.

You seem fixated on celebs and personality politics which both Phillips, Farage and Benjamin represent. It is perhaps why when Corbyn points out the very complex problem he faces with a voter base split down the middle you choose the easy one size fits all fake solution of UKIP.

[Gandalf]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

The point is that it will be exactly the same and if anything even more corrupt. See how even when the corruption at the heart of Brexit's figure head is exposed you persist with the pretense and fantasy that it represents real change. I should imagine that is why you mocked Yanis coming to London and will not watch the video I posted above.

You seem fixated on celebs and personality politics which both Phillips, Farage and Benjamin represent. It is perhaps why when Corbyn points out the very complex problem he faces with a voter base split down the middle you choose the easy one size fits all fake solution of UKIP.

You fail to understand that people voted for Brexit because of PRINCIPLES. They want their country to be run in the same way other countries are run, countries that are not part of an ENFORCED supra state. People don't like seeing their wages depressed, they don't like seeing their capital become a foreign city, they don't like how the EU is superior to their own Parliament.

I have been in favor of Brexit for MANY years. Don't tell me that UKIP is a fake solution and then defend Labour which is all about open borders, betraying their tradition of being anti EU and open borders, and is now seemingly full of middle class politically correct obsessed (when it suits them) Blairites.

The working classes cannot vote for Labour anymore as Labour has abandoned them thus they do not get elected. Labour does very well in London for example and it is because London is a foreign city now. It doesn't matter if it is Labour or Tory as the borders stay open and the same civil servants appear to pull the strings. The traditional working classes know that they have been pushed aside over the past 30 years and they will notice it has been a period during which Polish and others have flooded in in their millions taking advantage of wages far beyond those in their own countries. The British working classes have nowhere to go and thus depression of wages. People can see this and I saw it myself in the pubs. A lot more foreigners on the counters than there used to be and in the hotels it always seems to be foreigners. I am quite sure British people can do those things.

UKIP is the only party willing to stand up for freedom for freedom of expression, is against the EU, and is willing to speak out against the type of behavior you saw in Oldham the other day. Labour and Tory want to stay in the EU and Farage only has a single policy thus he has nothing more.

Corbyn is clearly, on a personal level, against the EU just like his mentor Tony Benn. However, he knows his party is pro EU middle class types and is indeed stuck in the middle. That's his pickle and it cannot be resolved. Economically I am with them, but on the EU and poltical correctness absolutely against.

You THINK that things will be more corrupt, but that can only be if people keep voting for Labour and Tory. However, being part of the EU does not mean less corruption and if anything looking at recent developments, the EU is looking ominous. You really do not want to be part of something you cannot control. At least in a nation state the people know who is representing them and can hold them to account. It has worked in the past and there is no reason it cannot work again. However FPTP HAS to go. That is undemocratic. ''

A referendum is the best expression of choice and the people voted. Let them have their way.

[Beanz]

I will vote Labour rather than Green or Socialist today in the Euro elections because community, jobs, health etc are much more important issues than the frivolous hijacking of democracy by identity politics.

Corbyn at least admits the empty rhetoric encapsulated in both 'remain' and 'leave'. Its a fake national identity pushed by people who don't even believe in community or want fuck all to do with their neighbours let alone England and Britain.

[Dark Lord Al]

Does Corbyn the clown still do childrens parties with his faithful assistant ?

[Beanz]

Does Corbyn the clown still do childrens parties with his faithful assistant ?

Why don't you ask him?

He has said this though

"There will be some who will tell you that Brexit is a disaster for this country and some who will tell you that Brexit will create a land of milk and honey. The truth is that it’s in our hands: Brexit is what we make of it together."

"Labour respects the result of the referendum, and Britain is leaving the EU. But we will not support any Tory deal that would do lasting damage to jobs, rights and living standards."

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[Dark Lord Al]

He will talk but we know he is a lying cunt.
His side kick is a great comedy act all the same.