The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

[Beanz]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

The point is that it will be exactly the same and if anything even more corrupt. See how even when the corruption at the heart of Brexit's figure head is exposed you persist with the pretense and fantasy that it represents real change. I should imagine that is why you mocked Yanis coming to London and will not watch the video I posted above.

You seem fixated on celebs and personality politics which both Phillips, Farage and Benjamin represent. It is perhaps why when Corbyn points out the very complex problem he faces with a voter base split down the middle you choose the easy one size fits all fake solution of UKIP.

[Gandalf]

The thing is there would be a short term hit, but also to the EU. However, both would adjust. Any change takes time. You take time to fix a torn muscle, then you are rough for a while but you come back. Look at Andy Murray and his new hip. Big change leads to an inevitable adjustment period. People can and do get over things. I honestly do not understand this 'All about the money stuff' as though nothing will ever be the same again.

The point is that it will be exactly the same and if anything even more corrupt. See how even when the corruption at the heart of Brexit's figure head is exposed you persist with the pretense and fantasy that it represents real change. I should imagine that is why you mocked Yanis coming to London and will not watch the video I posted above.

You seem fixated on celebs and personality politics which both Phillips, Farage and Benjamin represent. It is perhaps why when Corbyn points out the very complex problem he faces with a voter base split down the middle you choose the easy one size fits all fake solution of UKIP.

You fail to understand that people voted for Brexit because of PRINCIPLES. They want their country to be run in the same way other countries are run, countries that are not part of an ENFORCED supra state. People don't like seeing their wages depressed, they don't like seeing their capital become a foreign city, they don't like how the EU is superior to their own Parliament.

I have been in favor of Brexit for MANY years. Don't tell me that UKIP is a fake solution and then defend Labour which is all about open borders, betraying their tradition of being anti EU and open borders, and is now seemingly full of middle class politically correct obsessed (when it suits them) Blairites.

The working classes cannot vote for Labour anymore as Labour has abandoned them thus they do not get elected. Labour does very well in London for example and it is because London is a foreign city now. It doesn't matter if it is Labour or Tory as the borders stay open and the same civil servants appear to pull the strings. The traditional working classes know that they have been pushed aside over the past 30 years and they will notice it has been a period during which Polish and others have flooded in in their millions taking advantage of wages far beyond those in their own countries. The British working classes have nowhere to go and thus depression of wages. People can see this and I saw it myself in the pubs. A lot more foreigners on the counters than there used to be and in the hotels it always seems to be foreigners. I am quite sure British people can do those things.

UKIP is the only party willing to stand up for freedom for freedom of expression, is against the EU, and is willing to speak out against the type of behavior you saw in Oldham the other day. Labour and Tory want to stay in the EU and Farage only has a single policy thus he has nothing more.

Corbyn is clearly, on a personal level, against the EU just like his mentor Tony Benn. However, he knows his party is pro EU middle class types and is indeed stuck in the middle. That's his pickle and it cannot be resolved. Economically I am with them, but on the EU and poltical correctness absolutely against.

You THINK that things will be more corrupt, but that can only be if people keep voting for Labour and Tory. However, being part of the EU does not mean less corruption and if anything looking at recent developments, the EU is looking ominous. You really do not want to be part of something you cannot control. At least in a nation state the people know who is representing them and can hold them to account. It has worked in the past and there is no reason it cannot work again. However FPTP HAS to go. That is undemocratic. ''

A referendum is the best expression of choice and the people voted. Let them have their way.

[Beanz]

I will vote Labour rather than Green or Socialist today in the Euro elections because community, jobs, health etc are much more important issues than the frivolous hijacking of democracy by identity politics.

Corbyn at least admits the empty rhetoric encapsulated in both 'remain' and 'leave'. Its a fake national identity pushed by people who don't even believe in community or want fuck all to do with their neighbours let alone England and Britain.

[Dark Lord Al]

Does Corbyn the clown still do childrens parties with his faithful assistant ?

[Beanz]

Does Corbyn the clown still do childrens parties with his faithful assistant ?

Why don't you ask him?

He has said this though

"There will be some who will tell you that Brexit is a disaster for this country and some who will tell you that Brexit will create a land of milk and honey. The truth is that it’s in our hands: Brexit is what we make of it together."

"Labour respects the result of the referendum, and Britain is leaving the EU. But we will not support any Tory deal that would do lasting damage to jobs, rights and living standards."

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[Dark Lord Al]

He will talk but we know he is a lying cunt.
His side kick is a great comedy act all the same.