If Schwarz, Ruiz & Ortiz all win...

[Primo Carnera]

Makes no difference, the best should fight the best. A loss doesn’t change anything

But if they lose, they’re not the best?

If Wilder loses to Ortiz that argument can be made. But Joshua is better than Ruiz, Fury is better than Schwarz. Win or lose, better.

Dear oh dear, “win or lose, better.” So if you were Ruiz or Schwarz and you beat Joshua or Fury, you wouldn’t feel you were better than them?

People can have all sorts of feelings. But how people feel rarely reflects the truth. Fury and Joshua are better than Ruiz and Shwarz, if it wasn’t for you being in your feelings we wouldn’t need to say this because you and I both know this.

I’ll ask the question again, if you were Ruiz or Schwarz and you beat Joshua or Fury , would you feel that you were better than them? Straight yes or no will do, no need for a deep and meaningful profound “Confucius he say” answer.

[Primo Carnera]

Statistics show that the winner of a first fight, more often than not wins a rematch. So , for example if Ruiz did beat Joshua (which he won’t ) , then he would be likely to win a rematch.
But it’s mugs like you that keep people relevant when they don’t deserve it. You place your opinion on name, reputation and the past, rather than the here and now.
What incentive is there to win a World HW Title if people like you don’t recognise that.
Still , it’s your choice, if you want to be taken for a mug, crack on! It’s no business or consequence of mine.

[Spicoli]

Pretty sure all the A sides would be ushered right back into rematches to try to get it right. And Wilder might think what the hell was I thinking .

The whole being better thing is only relevant in the instant. Of course there are many different varieties of win and lose too. Fury didn't beat Wilder..but he did. You can lift more, run faster and have more shiny things on your wall but as has been said many times you're only as good as your last fight.

[Ron Swanson]

Statistics show that the winner of a first fight, more often than not wins a rematch. So , for example if Ruiz did beat Joshua (which he won’t ) , then he would be likely to win a rematch.
But it’s mugs like you that keep people relevant when they don’t deserve it. You place your opinion on name, reputation and the past, rather than the here and now.
What incentive is there to win a World HW Title if people like you don’t recognise that.
Still , it’s your choice, if you want to be taken for a mug, crack on! It’s no business or consequence of mine.

You say he won’t win then go on about me, for saying he isn’t better. You are making an arse out of yourself proving you don’t even believe what you say while you say it. I get you want to troll me but have some dignity.

Joshua is better, and we’ll all see that in a little bit. You know that as well as I do so stop being pathetic.

[TitoFan]

Well..... as unlikely as it may seem.... the first part of this "ridiculous" fantasy has come true. AJ has tripped over Ruiz and now Hearn must now assume the groveling role with Wilder, assuming Wilder wins his Ortiz rematch.

My... my... how the boxing world turns.

[powerpuncher]

The winner of the Wilder and Fury rematch (if things work out) will have a lot of negotiating power over AJ now.

[SlimTrae]

well..... As unlikely as it may seem.... The first part of this "ridiculous" fantasy has come true. Aj has tripped over ruiz and now hearn must now assume the groveling role with wilder, assuming wilder wins his ortiz rematch.

My... My... How the boxing world turns.

hahahaaa!!!!!!

[Dark Lord Al]

What would the odds have been before last night and it isnt impossible for it to happen.

[Primo Carnera]

Statistics show that the winner of a first fight, more often than not wins a rematch. So , for example if Ruiz did beat Joshua (which he won’t ) , then he would be likely to win a rematch.
But it’s mugs like you that keep people relevant when they don’t deserve it. You place your opinion on name, reputation and the past, rather than the here and now.
What incentive is there to win a World HW Title if people like you don’t recognise that.
Still , it’s your choice, if you want to be taken for a mug, crack on! It’s no business or consequence of mine.

You say he won’t win then go on about me, for saying he isn’t better. You are making an arse out of yourself proving you don’t even believe what you say while you say it. I get you want to troll me but have some dignity.

Joshua is better, and we’ll all see that in a little bit. You know that as well as I do so stop being pathetic.

So I’m pathetic am I ? One thing I will admit , because I’m man enough to do so is I WAS WRONG! I thought Joshua would win , I was wrong. Pathetic? Uh don’t think so.
So I ask you again, at this moment in time, who is better? Joshua or Ruiz?
Don’t go off tangent, start talking about “serves Eddie & AJ right, blah,blah.” Thats a different conversation. And spare me the “who are you that I have to answer your questions?”
Just answer the fucking question. Now who’s being fucking Pathetic?

[ykdadamaja]

Statistics show that the winner of a first fight, more often than not wins a rematch. So , for example if Ruiz did beat Joshua (which he won’t ) , then he would be likely to win a rematch.
But it’s mugs like you that keep people relevant when they don’t deserve it. You place your opinion on name, reputation and the past, rather than the here and now.
What incentive is there to win a World HW Title if people like you don’t recognise that.
Still , it’s your choice, if you want to be taken for a mug, crack on! It’s no business or consequence of mine.

You say he won’t win then go on about me, for saying he isn’t better. You are making an arse out of yourself proving you don’t even believe what you say while you say it. I get you want to troll me but have some dignity.

Joshua is better, and we’ll all see that in a little bit. You know that as well as I do so stop being pathetic.

So I’m pathetic am I ? One thing I will admit , because I’m man enough to do so is I WAS WRONG! I thought Joshua would win , I was wrong. Pathetic? Uh don’t think so.
So I ask you again, at this moment in time, who is better? Joshua or Ruiz?
Don’t go off tangent, start talking about “serves Eddie & AJ right, blah,blah.” Thats a different conversation. And spare me the “who are you that I have to answer your questions?”
Just answer the fucking question. Now who’s being fucking Pathetic?

Ron can be a bit of a prick at times. lololol....

[SlimTrae]

I'm leaning towards Ortiz.

Easier said than done, but we all know Wilder is an option A only fighter.

There is only one question to ask; how long can Ortiz evade the right hand.

Stay inside, maul, clinch as wilder needs a bit of space to launch that stealth bomber.

The worst advice Ortiz can get is box from the outside.

[Primo Carnera]

If Schwarz, Ruiz & Ortiz all win... You're gonna be pretty pissed off that you didn't have a bet on it!

[SlimTrae]

Joshua in rematch proved better than Ruiz only because he boxed smart and from the outside.
Fury proved he was better than Shwarz but turned around a fought 2 guys in a row none of us wanted- ending up with aka Wallin who busted up Fury.



Wilder has a 3rd chance to beat Fury.
Joshua for the moment is out of the picture.


If it weren't for the immediate rematch clause, I'd say let Joshua-Ruiz rubbermatch occur.

I'd also like to see how well Usyk could dismantle the guy Fury struggled with aka Wallin. I think Usyk schools him.


So if Wilder wins this weekend, do we want another match with Fury?
Or do we want Wilder vs Usyk?

Personally I think the worst stylistic matchup would be Wilder vs Usyk.
The fight I would like to see the most for Wilder is Ruiz. (if he beats Fury)
The fight I would like to see the most for Ruiz is Usyk. I wonder who would force the other to back up?
Who would land the quicker combos? I think Ruiz. But who would cause damage?



Wallin is a darkhorse, I think he can beat Dillian Whyte and probably give problems for Andy Ruiz who I think pulls out either a MD or UD over Wallin.

Ruiz vs Fury is the one I can't decide. Fury overall is the better fighter, but Ruiz is an anomoly, not sure if he is an overachiever or ....

[Master]

I am sure if Fury loses he has a rematch clause so that they can fight for the 4th time.

If AJ wins against Usyk, they will have a rematch clause too.

Forget these stupid rematch clauses, they should be banned.

[SlimTrae]

I am sure if Fury loses he has a rematch clause so that they can fight for the 4th time.

If AJ wins against Usyk, they will have a rematch clause too.

Forget these stupid rematch clauses, they should be banned.

Yeah who wants to see Fury vs Wilder XXII

next 7 fights Fury schools him but catches a hailmary final round that keeps him asleep, so we got a do it again lol!