"London is no longer an English city" - John Cleese exposes himself as evil "racist"

[TitoFan]

Ok, so "all" being 100 percent. But you DO make the clarification that #1 you "can't prove it", and #2 you "suspect all". "Suspect" being the key word here which by definition leaves room for error. So basically by your own admission there could possibly be a percentage that are not in fact White Supremacists. Would you agree with that statement?

If you had a 100 snakes coming at you, 99 were venomous, and one wasn't. Would you stop to try and find the non-venomous one ? Or would you close the door on the lot of them ?


But we're not talking venomous snakes, are we. A White Supremacist isn't going to kill you with one bite. If you treat people like you do snakes, there's a huge part of the problem right there.

To clarify, ALL children learn very quickly, but yes.... white children included. But your 2nd sentence must be taken into the context of your earlier statement where you can't "prove" it, and can only "suspect." So there again there might be some room for error. At this point I would ask what percentage error would you say could be possible in your assessment? Just asking because in statements like this people usually throw in a plus or minus.

But here's the thing.

The white supremacists are the most powerful. It doesn't really matter if there is a small % of whites who aren't white supremacist. The ones who have the muscle in the world are the white supremacist.

So here you've cracked the door open to the possibility that not ALL whites are White Supremacists. That in itself is a start, albeit a very small start. About having "muscle in the world"... sure... there are racist whites in positions of power. No argument there. But there are also powerful whites who are far from racist. But I guess this is where you and I will never agree.

You from P.Rico right ? Well I know if I went to Puerto Rico I'd see the white P.Ricans on top and the black P.Ricans would be on the bottom.

See, here's the thing. "IF..... I went to Puerto Rico..." There's always that pesky "IF". Yet I'VE lived here for many decades and yet you dismiss any observations I may have before I've even made them. You're an intelligent fella.... but that is clearly not an intelligent way to establish an argument or dialogue.

Every area in Puerto Rico were black people live would be the poorest area of town, the least invested area of town, the area of highest unemployment. Then I'd go to the jails and they'd be full of black people. I'd go to the best schools, they be full of mainly white P.Ricans, the best houses, jobs, land, property would all be owned by white P.Ricans. The black P.Ricans would living in the mud without a biscuit and they'd be looked down, seen as ugly, worthless, criminal, violent, backward.

Some of what you say may be partly accurate, and some of what you say if pretty ridiculous. But what does it matter when you've already made up your mind about what we have here without ever having set foot on the island. I would tell you about how in some places (like Puerto Rico) the division between black and white isn't as stark as in other places merely because of our ancestry and history, but what would it matter. It would be nice to have a rational conversation with you, but as we've all found out long ago..... that is akin to speaking to a wall and expecting something in return. Sad.

White supremacy is global

And that would true all over S.America. I'd go to Brazil and they just elected a white supremacist president down there, so black Brazillians are gonna catch even more hell. I'd go to Uruguay, Columbia, Ecuador, Panama. Hell - Down there if your black, they'd just do gorilla gestures in the street. There is no filter as far as racism to black people in S.America.

Please tell me how many countries in South America you've visited. Fair question, is it not?

So stop trying to be "the voice of reason", trying to think your kinda smart. I've seen it before many times.

I'm not trying to be "the voice of reason" of trying to pass myself off as anything. I'm merely trying to have a rational conversation with you, as I would if we were face to face. But your tone is rather antagonistic, and I don't see why. You tell others they're insulting and attacking you..... and you're pretty close to doing the same to me.

What I mean is WHO do you include in the group blacks, who according to you is the bottom of the totem pole with regards to White Supremacists? Because there are blacks from different nationalities and origins. Caribbean blacks yes.... their origin is Africa, as there was a very active slave trade way back when which include all of the Caribbean islands. But what about European blacks, or blacks from other continents that may not have originated in Africa? Also, there is the obvious mix over time that results from mixed marriages and the like. At what point do you draw the line when including people in the black group?

It's the same all the world - Dude

Where ever black people go were told the same thing

We don't want you to live here.
We don't want you to work here.
We don't want you to study here.
We don't want you to date her/him.

Even in China, India, Arab world, they hate black people too (for the most part) and have the same anti-black views as any white supremacist.

It's the World vs Black people.

Ok so here you may have touched on part of the previous question as to who do you include in the black group. So basically, the more prevalent the black influence on a mixed race person, regardless of nationality, the lower they are on this totem pole you refer to, right?

Makes no difference. Look at Meghan Markle - She whitest black women ever. That's don't matter

She still get's it from politician in the UK and from white supremacists



Or white supremacist (Danny Baker) ppl who are working at the BBC commenting on her baby



Obama was mixed race. He still got it. And he was well spoken (what ever that means) Pulled his pants up. Stable marriage. No kids out of wedlock. He still got it.

We don't know each other personally, but I suspect we'd have some pretty interesting conversations. I probably wouldn't change your mind about these things, but I would certainly try and inject some perspective from my own background and experience. I've seen racism and bigotry up close and first hand (although thankfully not directed at me)...... and yet I've seen enough to come to certain conclusions that not only differ from yours..... but also differ from probably most people on here.

As I say. I came here to talk boxing because, well, this is a boxing forum after all. And plus I've been banned twice and banning me again is a click of a mouse. So I'm gonna try to stick to boxing topics. But you did reply to me. So I had to respond

Well I appreciate your responding to me, and frankly TBH, I'm of the opinion that:

1. You've had some traumatic experiences as a child or youth that have driven you to think this way (assuming you're not just pulling everyone's chain and it's all one big windup joke).

2. If I were to guess, I'd say you're fairly young..... and by that I'm implying that there's still some time/room for moderating your viewpoints as time goes by. We all mature till we die, so that's no insult (just in case).


You see... there's nothing quite like time to help moderate some of our harsh, extreme viewpoints... especially when we've met people who help us in that process. Not saying I've been of any help, mind you. But I'd bet if you knew me personally (and we're just a bit open to dialogue), I might be able to put my own two cents.

At the very least, none of what I've said to you in this latest exchange is meant to be condescending, hurtful, insulting, or anything of the sort. I hope it's received that way.