Does this make Margarito a coward?

[OumaFan]

Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight

De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately

Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?

When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around

You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?

Spinks The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.

i'm not implying that he's scared, I guess I should have put it more like one of the previous posters, i'm just saying that all the time he's been at welterweight he hasn't accumulated a good enough resume to IMO even be considered dangerous to PBF or deserve a fight for that matter, he's got four losses already. and it just seems like he inherited his ranking at welterweight because mosely,trinidad,delahoya,forrest,mayorga, all left the division...and PBF comes in has one fight at 147 and is rated higher than him...Judah has 3 losses, one to the great KT another to spinks who did beat mayorga...and its funny that you say he called out mayorga..but he shouldn't fight spinks?because spinks beat ricardo... Just because you call out the big name fighter doesn't mean that you deserve the shot...he's trying to win the lottery off PBF's name not his own...it's weird that PBF's fight selection gets critizied, and margarito's doesn't? I think that challenger's should have the same light shine upon them...margarito hasn't beaten anyone of any real note except cintron, and i'll say again he's already got FOUR LOSSES....and young fighter shouldn't have 4 losses already esp to none champs....just look at LACY...people already think he's done because he lost to an undefeated veteran champ...if cotto loses a fight he will be torn up by the boxing world...and you're trying to make a case for a guy with four losses? GTF out of here with that....

you weren't implying he was scared? Ok

You imply that he ducked ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga and Mosley and that's ridiculous for the reasons I listed.

I didn't say he shouldn't fight Spinks, I said it was ridiculous to think that somebody who's not scared of fighting PBF would be scared of Spinks.

PBF's fight selection is more open to criticism cause he's the opposite of high risk/low reward, not cause its not a risk fighting him, but cause its a huge reward. I've never criticized PBF's opposition in the beginning of his career, but since Castillo for a P4P 1-3 guy his opponents haven't exactly been impressive, and he's been choosing his own fights. He could snap his fingers and make a fight with Margarito, not the same deal with Margarito. I don't have a problem with PBF being able to pick his own fights, he earned it early in his career, I just would like to see him pick better opposition. Since Castillo his choices haven't been awe inspiring, even though Judah's still overrated, at least its a step in the right direction. Anyway, I didn't even bring up PBF's opposition or him fighting Margarito in my first post, I just thought you saying he was ducking all those guys was wrong and not based on any kind of logic.

Yes, Margarito has four losses. Look at his record. He turned pro at 16, without much amateur experience, and lost three of his first 12 fights, all before he even turned 19. He learned on the job, he wasn't as polished as Floyd coming in, still isn't, but he's learned how to fight and his only loss in the last ten years was on a technical decision to a 154 pounder. He's a solid contender, I don't think he'll beat PBF, but if he does I wouldn't call PBF done, who would, he's proven himself to be a great fighter. I don't even think Lacy's done, but if people do its not cause he lost one fight, Winky's lost, Bernard lost, Barrera lost, Morales lost, most fighters do, if people think Lacy's done its cause he got absolutely brutalized, not cause he lost.

I didn't say he ducked...I hate the word "ducked"...I'm just saying that there were several fights that he could have had long before now, to make him more worthy...i know it takes two to make a fight, but maybe none of those fighters fought him because he had 3 losses at the time they were down there....yea, B-hop, MAB, moralles, all lost but to champs not to guys with 9 losses out of 22 fights....so what if he lost early who's fault is it that he decided to turn pro early? you can't join the the nba, get schooled then say well i haven't had the experience you have...don't try to be a big boy if your not...and the fact that he turned pro so early only makes me really think that his motives are economical and not to be one of the best...like i said he's just trying to cash in on PBF...it's also funny that you say he lost to a 154pounder like your trying to make an excuse for him fighting a big guy...that's only 7 pounds...and he's been at 147 for ten years...PBF only been at 147 for one fight, 140 for 3 fights...there's nothing to gain except money for him by fighting mayweather....big men don't get credit for knocking out smaller guys, but in margaritos case it would be worse because he'd probably get stopped by a smaller man....

"maybe none of these fighters fought him because he had 3 losses at the time" Exactly what I was saying in response to you talking about why he was a coward for not fighting those guys, they wouldn't have happened, ODLH and Trinidad wouldn't have fought him. And Mosley doesn't even have that excuse cause he turned him down after the Cintron fight. At least Mayorga can say that it was the fact that Arum promoted one guy and King the other.

Of course his reasons for turning pro were economical, he was very poor, but that doesn't mean that fighters don't want to be great.
I'm sure Floyd wants to be great but he's also the guy who said that "if it makes dollars, it makes sense" The point was he lost to guys he wouldn't lose to now, like the guy with 9 losses. Losing to a guy with 9 losses isn't great, but it was at the beginning of his career, at least it wasn't in his last fight like "Super" Judah. He's a solid contender and Floyd would get credit for fighting him, maybe only the hardcore fans know Margarito, but how many casual fans are there. Even Floyd doesn't sell out arenas, a lot of casual fans don't even know Floyd very well.

I really don't get your point about Margarito only getting money out of it, and he'd get no credit for stopping Mayweather. Think about that, PBF is thought of as one of the best fighters of the last 20 years, and most people have him clearly number 1 P4P. We all know Margarito's bigger, and most of us, including me, are still picking Mayweather. Cause he's better. Margarito would get a lot of credit for beating Floyd, I'd probably put him P4P Top Ten, when he's not really close to my list at the moment. Hell Judah's bigger than him, Castillo was bigger, Tarver was bigger than RJ but do people say Tarver won cause he was bigger, no, its cause people say Roy was shot. People know that ODLH is bigger than PBF, that Shane Mosley is bigger, yet a majority of people still pick PBF. People would give Margarito credit, sure some people would just say that it was cause he was bigger but he'd still get a lot of credit, just like ODLH and Shane would get for beating PBF