Canelo v Kovalev at 175

[Ron Swanson]

No, Charlo is the WBC champion. Canelo was stripped for not fighting his mandatory. The Franchise Champion nonsense is just a title, not a championship. You know this because it’s been expressed that it does not change hands if Canelo loses.

An Andrade fight is NOT for undisputed

No one mentioned undisputed holmes 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III don't give af bout no belts

TIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.

All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo

So no mention of undisputed then brother if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother

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Andrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”when he became mandatory. Perhaps the only time they were true to their word. Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Canelo gave it up rather than fight him.

I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.

It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing

[Cleon]

No, Charlo is the WBC champion. Canelo was stripped for not fighting his mandatory. The Franchise Champion nonsense is just a title, not a championship. You know this because it’s been expressed that it does not change hands if Canelo loses.

An Andrade fight is NOT for undisputed

No one mentioned undisputed holmes 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III don't give af bout no belts

TIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.

All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo

So no mention of undisputed then brother if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother

Andrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”, Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo.

I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.

It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing

No ones saying Andrade has had a well managed career you could also say Saunders roided himself to avoid Andrade or that both Charlo's were unreachable when VADA came calling you could also say the Korobov should now be the WBC belt holder but no ones avoiding him right so you want Canelo to fight someone who isn't that good

[Ron Swanson]

No, Charlo is the WBC champion. Canelo was stripped for not fighting his mandatory. The Franchise Champion nonsense is just a title, not a championship. You know this because it’s been expressed that it does not change hands if Canelo loses.

An Andrade fight is NOT for undisputed

No one mentioned undisputed holmes 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III don't give af bout no belts

TIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.

All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo

So no mention of undisputed then brother if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother

Andrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”, Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo.

I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.

It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing

No ones saying Andrade has had a well managed career you could also say Saunders roided himself to avoid Andrade or that both Charlo's were unreachable when VADA came calling you could also say the Korobov should now be the WBC belt holder but no ones avoiding him right so you want Canelo to fight someone who isn't that good

No, I said I don’t think Charlo is that good, we don’t know because people won’t fight him. I’d like to know if I’m wrong. They’d rather give up their belts. I’m saying all this jumping around doesn’t decide who is the best. They should decide who’s best in divisions by fighting the people in their divisions and if it’s decided move on. I have no issue with Usyk moving up, he proved he was the best in his division. I have no issue with Crawford going to 47, he proved he was the best at 40. I get fighters want to make money, but fans should want to know who’s best.

We currently have a number 1 P4P who is in his 3rd division without fighting the top guy in any of his divisions. How can we really know if he is the best? We don’t just decide who is best in other sports, the people compete to decide. It looked like AJ was best, but then he got into a situation that wasn’t one way traffic and he came apart.

The Korobov thing I don’t quite understand. He trained at our gym so we were biased for him. While we were all proud of his performance nobody here said he won. Made it really close but he faded. Tip of the cap but an L.

If you like guys jumping all over selecting whoever they want to fight that’s cool, that’s your thing. I want to know who’s best.

[Ron Swanson]

I should clarify. I don’t have any problem with Canelo/Andrade, GGG/Andrade. I just think the other should fight Charlo. He’s due, in fact more due than Andrade since Andrade dumped his belt to not fight Charlo and Canelo dumped his belt to not fight Charlo, and GGG didn’t fight his mandatory for 18 months to not fight Charlo.

[Cleon]

I thought Korobov won, other than that I think we're in agreement. I don't like all the weight hopping either unless it's against top guys everyone near the weight wants Canelo for obvious reasons but he can only fight 1 at a time if its Charlo or Andrade next I'd accept that

[Primo Carnera]

I thought Korobov won, other than that I think we're in agreement. I don't like all the weight hopping either unless it's against top guys everyone near the weight wants Canelo for obvious reasons but he can only fight 1 at a time if its Charlo or Andrade next I'd accept that

To be fair to Canelo, I think there are loads of acceptable fights out there, Charlo, Andrade, Smith , Kovalev, to name but a few. I just don't think that GGG is an acceptable fight bearing in mind the options he has. What does he need to prove against GGG? I think we all know that the longer time goes on, the more comfortable (I don't want to say easier) a fight Canelo will have with GGG. he's been there, done that , whether people like that or not . GGG doesn't have a belt , so I really don't feel it's meaningful in comparison to his other options.
but we know already which fight will get made , don't we ?

[Cleon]

I thought Korobov won, other than that I think we're in agreement. I don't like all the weight hopping either unless it's against top guys everyone near the weight wants Canelo for obvious reasons but he can only fight 1 at a time if its Charlo or Andrade next I'd accept that

To be fair to Canelo, I think there are loads of acceptable fights out there, Charlo, Andrade, Smith , Kovalev, to name but a few. I just don't think that GGG is an acceptable fight bearing in mind the options he has. What does he need to prove against GGG? I think we all know that the longer time goes on, the more comfortable (I don't want to say easier) a fight Canelo will have with GGG. he's been there, done that , whether people like that or not . GGG doesn't have a belt , so I really don't feel it's meaningful in comparison to his other options.
but we know already which fight will get made , don't we ?

Right on brother there are many fights with which Canelo can build a legacy of sorts against I think Canelo still needs to prove he can beat GGG clearly I thought he got beaten badly in the first and won a close one in the 2nd, it could have gone either way you're right brother that the longer in the tooth GGG gets the odds tilt further in Canelo's favor GGG deserves another crack but I'm happy for him to wait or earn his way to it