Andy Ruiz Jr vs Anthony Joshua rematch

[p4pking]

Hearn seems like he may be alright if you didnt have to do business with him, but a cunt indeed. Also, the Whyte situation seems less like a scapegoat and more of a very legitimate cause for concern, especially when there is very real reason to doubt AJ is a clean fighter all along. I think the fight does big numbers almost anywhere, if AJ wanted to really make a statement, returning to the place he was beaten would obviously be the best way. There was zero controversy surrounding the first fight, so whats the problem.

[Fenster]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

[p4pking]

The problem with all that is, he got his ass kicked. It shouldnt really matter how big his team is, as they arent in a position to be demanding home court. Likewise with sky taking a hit last time, so what? The americans dont want to watch a fight at 1 in the afternoon either, and Ruiz likely has a lot of new fans/buyers.

[TitoFan]

The problem with all that is, he got his ass kicked. It shouldnt really matter how big his team is, as they arent in a position to be demanding home court. Likewise with sky taking a hit last time, so what? The americans dont want to watch a fight at 1 in the afternoon either, and Ruiz likely has a lot of new fans/buyers.

This.

Although with the impasse over AJ not wanting it in the States and Ruiz not wanting it in the UK..... one has to wonder whether it will happen at all.

I would think it would be in AJ's best interests to give in before it doesn't happen at all.

[Fenster]

The problem with all that is, he got his ass kicked. It shouldnt really matter how big his team is, as they arent in a position to be demanding home court. Likewise with sky taking a hit last time, so what? The americans dont want to watch a fight at 1 in the afternoon either, and Ruiz likely has a lot of new fans/buyers.

Just explaining the reality.

Ruiz signed a contract for the rematch but is now using his new found clout (rightfully?). Hence asking for $50 million to come to England (not a literal number, bit of fun for the press, however, he was obviously demanding a big raise to whatever he originally agreed and changed his mind about travelling).

AJ, his million man management team and TV company are adamant the fight takes place in the UK (SKY have an exclusive deal with Hearn/AJ, they publicly criticised Hearn for not delivering AJ's Wembley date in April and then taking him to New York, which ruined their summer blockbuster PPV).

Everyone blames Hearn, naturally, as he's the front man (cunt). But he has a contract broken by Ruiz (team) and all sorts of new demands from AJ (team).

Sometimes fans forget the fighter is actually in charge, that's all.

[Spicoli]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

Well, wins and losses have consequences yeh. Lawyers and the gaggle, networks will all still be making plenty of money when Joshua is being respectively compared to either Bruno or Lewis as a trivia question.

[X]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

Fenster, you're a good guy, but this is what is wrong with boxing today and why it has become a largely minority sport 🙁

[palmerq]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

[Kirkland Laing]

Still no announcement then. I think any heavyweight champ who managed to lose away from home in an upset is going to try and get the rematch in his own country. You can't fault the Joshua side for that at all. And if it's in the contract then that's that. But how are they going to enforce the contract if Ruiz doesn't play? I'd love to see the relevant clauses.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I am sure Ruiz is playing hard ball and has no legal leg to stand on when he signed the contract for the rematch.

If he is going “fully anti contract hardball” then he will want the fight in USA. I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

If Ruiz does decide to fight in the UK he will be expected to be compensated adequately for fighting AJ in UK. Where that additional money is coming from is probably where the impasse is currently, is it coming from Eddie/Sky/AJ.

The worst case could be Ruiz not having the rematch, being stripped of his title and becoming another people’s champion.

Yes, it does make it funny for everyone watching

[Fenster]

Do you guys realise Ruiz is "promoted" (advised) by Al Haymon? Look him up if you've never heard of him, the most "powerful" man in boxing.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

[Kirkland Laing]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I am sure Ruiz is playing hard ball and has no legal leg to stand on when he signed the contract for the rematch.

If he is going “fully anti contract hardball” then he will want the fight in USA. I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

If Ruiz does decide to fight in the UK he will be expected to be compensated adequately for fighting AJ in UK. Where that additional money is coming from is probably where the impasse is currently, is it coming from Eddie/Sky/AJ.

The worst case could be Ruiz not having the rematch, being stripped of his title and becoming another people’s champion.

Yes, it does make it funny for everyone watching

Depends on the contract Ruiz signed. If he decides not to fight Joshua again and signs to fight somebody else he could contractually be liable for every penny he makes from the new fight plus x million dollars in penalties. And that's before the sanctioning bodies get involved.

Realistically if he tries to duck out of the agreement he'd probably spend an indefinite period out of boxing and in various courtrooms and be stripped of his titles which Joshua would then fight somebody else for and by the time the whole thing was resolved in the courts he'd be a distant memory with no leverage to get any kind of decent fight and massive legal debts.

Ruiz can make as much noise as he wants but the contract he signed will almost certainly mean he has to do what Joshua wants.

[Fenster]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

Fenster, you're a good guy, but this is what is wrong with boxing today and why it has become a largely minority sport 🙁

Just explaining the reality. A minority sport worth billions.

As Don King said many years ago - "In boxing, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate"