TV personality Mario Lopez in hot water over "insensitive" remarks

[Fenster]

You're now saying an opinion piece can't be educational? What kind of stupid is that? Who other than a Trans (or activist) can best explain why the comments were offensive? Mario didn't know. I didn't know. Nobody else on here offered a reason other than - "fuck them!"

The article not only educates from a Trans perspective but links to testimony and evidence from pediatricians, doctors, parents, childrens orgs, victims and families of suicide victims. It provides research from official American medical and health and suicide and charity institutes.

Do you - @TITO - know more about Trans children than these organisations? More than an actual Trans? Victims of sucide/bullying/humiliation? Is Tito the only expert on Trans? The only voice allowed?

If you're not prepared to listen to the other side, how do you expect to learn/understand anything? That is pure ignorance.

[TitoFan]

You're now saying an opinion piece can't be educational? What kind of stupid is that? Who other than a Trans (or activist) can best explain why the comments were offensive? Mario didn't know. I didn't know. Nobody else on here offered a reason other than - "fuck them!"

The article not only educates from a Trans perspective but links to testimony and evidence from pediatricians, doctors, parents, childrens orgs, victims and families of suicide victims. It provides research from official American medical and health and suicide and charity institutes.

Do you - @TITO - know more about Trans children than these organisations? More than an actual Trans? Victims of sucide/bullying/humiliation? Is Tito the only expert on Trans? The only voice allowed?

If you're not prepared to listen to the other side, how do you expect to learn/understand anything? That is pure ignorance.

Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there.

For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

Is Tito an expert on trans? God no. Is Fenster? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

Ignorance isn't objecting to things because of your own beliefs. Ignorance is taking articles written by totally biased sources and trying to pass them off as fact. THAT....... is ignorance.

[Fenster]

For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

I have no idea what you're talking about - Puberty blockers? Trans suicide rates? Traditional therapy? Counselling? $$$? Biased medical articles?

I only just learnt that kids aren't allowed surgery until they're 18, I have virtually zero interest in Trans.

Is Tito an expert on trans? God no.

That's why I read a real Trans person to get educated about Mario's comments.

Is Fenster an expert? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

Is Fenster a Trans? No, dude, that's why I read a real Trans to get educated about Mario's comments. I have no idea how "stubborn torch-carrying" possibly applies to me, no idea whatsoever? I have never claimed anything but ignorance when it comes to Trans, barely made a comment.

Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there.

As you can see I specifically looked for the opposite side to help me understand their position. Why would I need a Trans to explain why Mario's comments were offensive? Maybe you're upset and angry with me because I didn't say "fuck them?" "They're mentally ill," "it's child abuse" .... I simply don't understand it.

Who is "anyone?" For a guy who gets upset and angry when "lumped together with others," you sure do call a lot for friends, reassurance and comfort in numbers to back you up.

Try to speak for yourself otherwise you look like a bully rounding up the gang. (just some friendly advise, hope you don't get too angry ).

[TitoFan]

For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

I have no idea what you're talking about - Puberty blockers? Trans suicide rates? Traditional therapy? Counselling? $$$? Biased medical articles?

I only just learnt that kids aren't allowed surgery until they're 18, I have virtually zero interest in Trans.

Is Tito an expert on trans? God no.

That's why I read a real Trans person to get educated about Mario's comments.

Is Fenster an expert? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

Is Fenster a Trans? No, dude, that's why I read a real Trans to get educated about Mario's comments. I have no idea how "stubborn torch-carrying" possibly applies to me, no idea whatsoever? I have never claimed anything but ignorance when it comes to Trans, barely made a comment.

Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there.

As you can see I specifically looked for the opposite side to help me understand their position. Why would I need a Trans to explain why Mario's comments were offensive? Maybe you're upset and angry with me because I didn't say "fuck them?" "They're mentally ill," "it's child abuse" .... I simply don't understand it.

Who is "anyone?" For a guy who gets upset and angry when "lumped together with others," you sure do call a lot for friends, reassurance and comfort in numbers to back you up.

Try to speak for yourself otherwise you look like a bully rounding up the gang. (just some friendly advise, hope you don't get too angry ).

You know... at the end of the day it's really not all that important. I hope you're not losing any sleep over this.

I say what I say, because there's a history of yours (and mine) views on all that is LGBTQ related. This shouldn't even need be said, but I'll said it because anyone would think all this comes from the thin air. It doesn't.

Not sure what you mean by "you sure do call a lot of friends" but again..... it's not all that important, and for people like you guys (your gang) that make a routine out of twisting other people's words into what you feel like, it's not at all surprising that you would continue to do so.

There's no anger here, as personally I couldn't give less of a flying one what other people say or do, as long as it doesn't affect me or my family directly.

You've already created this mental picture of me which suits your fancy, so...... knock yourself out dude. Whatever rocks your boat.

I'll continue being opinionated on what I feel on being opinionated..... and if that somehow rubs your gang the wrong way...... you can always look the other way.

Nice chat.