Andy Ruiz Jr vs Anthony Joshua rematch

[X]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

Fenster, you're a good guy, but this is what is wrong with boxing today and why it has become a largely minority sport 🙁

[palmerq]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

[Kirkland Laing]

Still no announcement then. I think any heavyweight champ who managed to lose away from home in an upset is going to try and get the rematch in his own country. You can't fault the Joshua side for that at all. And if it's in the contract then that's that. But how are they going to enforce the contract if Ruiz doesn't play? I'd love to see the relevant clauses.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I am sure Ruiz is playing hard ball and has no legal leg to stand on when he signed the contract for the rematch.

If he is going “fully anti contract hardball” then he will want the fight in USA. I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

If Ruiz does decide to fight in the UK he will be expected to be compensated adequately for fighting AJ in UK. Where that additional money is coming from is probably where the impasse is currently, is it coming from Eddie/Sky/AJ.

The worst case could be Ruiz not having the rematch, being stripped of his title and becoming another people’s champion.

Yes, it does make it funny for everyone watching

[Fenster]

Do you guys realise Ruiz is "promoted" (advised) by Al Haymon? Look him up if you've never heard of him, the most "powerful" man in boxing.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

[Mark TKO]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

[Kirkland Laing]

If I was Ruiz I would demand fucking everything to make sure I was financially secure for life - and the next generation.

If he loses the rematch (for the record , at present, I don't believe he will) he's not going to be getting a rematch or another big pay day any time soon and will have to build up again - these guys who get labelled one time wonders have a habit of disappearing.....

How long have they got to sort this rematch it's doing everyone's head in.

I think it's fair to have it in the UK and will be in the contract. But as for the pay day fuck yes Ruiz should milk it.

If Matchroom are even minimally competent at drawing up contracts, and I'm sure they are, Ruiz' purse for the rematch will have been included in the original contract. He'll be able to stamp his foot and make threats and may get a few extra quid but it won't be anything substantial. Maybe he'll get a Nando's all-you-can-eat-free card valid for however long he's in Britain.

[Fenster]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

[Master]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

What history proves Ruiz can't win a decision in Britain?

And the fact he can't have a "favourable ref" in the UK is a good thing, right? Nobody should have a "favourable" ref.

You said yourself AJ is worth millions so things are going to work in his favour.

Why else is Ruiz insisting he has the fight in USA?

I thought Wlad was winning against AJ before the stoppage but I believe AJ was in front by the judges. The ref prematurely stopped the fight against Takam protecting AJ’s knockout record.

So all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour? Interesting. Even the stoppages are bogus.

Does this corruption, skulduggery and manipulation only apply to AJ or all British fighters? Have you ever noticed it anywhere else in the world? Any other fighters? There are lots and lots of rich ones.

When did I say all AJ's fights have been fixed in his favour. The stoppage against Takem was not necessary it could have carried on.

This happens is boxing, especially when the fighter carries a lot of power.

[Kirkland Laing]

Pretty sure ruiz will have already signed something that doesn't give him much of a choice where the rematch is... But if he wants to go go fully anti contract hardball, good for him, makes it funny for everyone watching.

I am sure Ruiz is playing hard ball and has no legal leg to stand on when he signed the contract for the rematch.

If he is going “fully anti contract hardball” then he will want the fight in USA. I do not blame him as history has shown he will not win a decision over here and have a favourable ref.

If Ruiz does decide to fight in the UK he will be expected to be compensated adequately for fighting AJ in UK. Where that additional money is coming from is probably where the impasse is currently, is it coming from Eddie/Sky/AJ.

The worst case could be Ruiz not having the rematch, being stripped of his title and becoming another people’s champion.

Yes, it does make it funny for everyone watching

Depends on the contract Ruiz signed. If he decides not to fight Joshua again and signs to fight somebody else he could contractually be liable for every penny he makes from the new fight plus x million dollars in penalties. And that's before the sanctioning bodies get involved.

Realistically if he tries to duck out of the agreement he'd probably spend an indefinite period out of boxing and in various courtrooms and be stripped of his titles which Joshua would then fight somebody else for and by the time the whole thing was resolved in the courts he'd be a distant memory with no leverage to get any kind of decent fight and massive legal debts.

Ruiz can make as much noise as he wants but the contract he signed will almost certainly mean he has to do what Joshua wants.

[Fenster]

Do you guys realise how big AJ's team of managers, advisers, lawyers and representatives are? His public reps, Rob McCracken (trainer) and Sky Sports have all been public that the rematch must take place in the UK. Adam Smith (SKY head of boxing) just last week said the rematch has to be primetime UK, as they took a big hit with the middle of the night palaver last time.

I feel dirty defending a promoter but do you honestly think Hearn is creating venue problems for himself?

Fenster, you're a good guy, but this is what is wrong with boxing today and why it has become a largely minority sport 🙁

Just explaining the reality. A minority sport worth billions.

As Don King said many years ago - "In boxing, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate"