10 best boxers of all time named..

[Mark TKO]

I saw this list the other day. Some crappy points ranking system.

Floyd top sums it up for what it is.

Didn't know much about Carlos monzon and just looked at his record. Didn't recognise that many names on his resume and looking at their records when they fought him who did he beat in their prime.

I'm currently in Turkey where Wikipedia is blocked so can't look on there.....

[Fenster]

I think it's quite interesting, far more so than any personal opinion of a P4P list, as it's based on an algorithm. The creators of the system will almost certainly have different personal opinions but those are what the figures threw up.

It looks stupid/mental, for sure. However, it's fascinating that throwing the same data at everyone produced that list.

The disparity between wins, losses and opposition is so vast, it would be interesting to know how the system works? Why did Monzon rate 3? Why is Floyd 1?

[smashup]

If it's based on algorithms, stats and numbers etc where's Marciano & Calzaghe ?

[Fenster]

If it's based on algorithms, stats and numbers etc where's Marciano & Calzaghe ?

Without fully knowing the intricacies of the system - the quality of opposition is a factor. Therefore, Floyd has beaten far more high scoring fighters than those two.

Floyd's no.1 position has nothing to do with being unbeaten.

[goti71]

Then it's a bit like the Elo system in chess, where your Elo points depend on how far up your opponents were when you beat them. But even so it's still a bit rubbish; the unbeaten Marciano, but also Whitaker, Roy Jones jr., James Toney, Tyson, etc.

[El Kabong]

Where's Willie Pep? Guy wins 229 fights and he can't make this list?!?!?! Where's Henry Armstrong? Guy wins 151 fights and he cant' make this list? 19 times defending his welterweight title and he doesn't make this list?!?!?!

Again, Joe Louis ranks below Ali, WHY? "No one touches ‘The Greatest’ for cultural, social and political impact" ....oh fuck off with that bullshit. Great fighter, yes no one doubts it, but again 25 in a row from 1938 to 1950 undefeated as champion JOE LOUIS the Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time STATISTICALLY VERIFIED


Now I look at fighters and think "On any given day, MAYBE this guy beats that guy" and if I'm looking at that and ONLY that then maybe Ali rates higher, Holyfield and Foreman certainly rate higher looking at it that way, maybe Larry Holmes rates higher but in the ring in actual competition Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano accomplished a whole hell of a lot and it cannot be denied simply by saying "Well look who they fought" their eras were what their eras were and there's no controlling that they didn't duck guys the way Sven Ottke did or wait out opponents like Floyd has...they just fought who was there, no bullshit.

[Fenster]

Where's Willie Pep? Guy wins 229 fights and he can't make this list?!?!?! Where's Henry Armstrong? Guy wins 151 fights and he cant' make this list? 19 times defending his welterweight title and he doesn't make this list?!?!?!

Again, Joe Louis ranks below Ali, WHY? "No one touches ‘The Greatest’ for cultural, social and political impact" ....oh fuck off with that bullshit. Great fighter, yes no one doubts it, but again 25 in a row from 1938 to 1950 undefeated as champion JOE LOUIS the Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time STATISTICALLY VERIFIED


Now I look at fighters and think "On any given day, MAYBE this guy beats that guy" and if I'm looking at that and ONLY that then maybe Ali rates higher, Holyfield and Foreman certainly rate higher looking at it that way, maybe Larry Holmes rates higher but in the ring in actual competition Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano accomplished a whole hell of a lot and it cannot be denied simply by saying "Well look who they fought" their eras were what their eras were and there's no controlling that they didn't duck guys the way Sven Ottke did or wait out opponents like Floyd has...they just fought who was there, no bullshit.

The algorithm can't produce what Lyle wants, it has NOTHING to do with personal bias, cultural, social or political impact.

You don't know anything about Pep, Armstrong, Marciano's or Otkke's "opposition" apart from what you've read (the odd fight/clip doesn't count).