The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

5. I lived with a black person when I was at University and though her experiences were obviously different to mine she was not experiencing any of this persecution you are talking about.

First off - You assume that blacks always speak their minds to white people.

MOST DON'T

If she spoke her mind to you; a white supremacist about racism ? How would have that went down ? You would have ran your ass to your white landlord "You know that's Tiana is really hostile. She's really aggressive and saying some crazy things" and you would have got her kicked out the dorm.

And she knew that.

That's why black people have to often engage in this tackiness when they're around white.

Even outside of work most whites are so closed-minded about race and get upset about it so easily that it becomes a waste of breath. They have too many built-in defences. They make it a no-win. Even online it is largely a wasted effort (but not completely).

In these ways and others whites shut themselves off from any serious, honest talk about race with blacks. Then, partly from this engineered silence, they conclude that racism is no big deal.

She studied hard, came out socializing, worked, nobody was holding her down for being black.

How do you kn ow ?

She achieved IN SPITE of the system not because of it.

You are British right? Surely you realize that Britain is a very tolerant country. I have worked with black PhD holders and there is non of this Denilson style rhetoric.

Yes because black people have to make white ppl feel comfortable. The penalties for talking are severe.

Even me on Saddo. I've been a member here for 13 years. For pretty much the first ten years I didn't say anything other than speak on boxing because I knew what I say would not go down well. When whites do come across blacks who have talk openly and honestly about racism, such as activists, writers and bloggers, they dismiss them as radical, hostile, ungrateful, white-hating and so on.

Most whites have no first-hand experience that would make them seem reasonable.

If she was being held down then why would she be in such a good place? It was effort and smarts that got her somewhere. Same with other black people I have known, but my life means I only meet educated black people.

Madame C.J. Walker had become one of the very first African American millionaires in 1911. A year in which sixty-three black folks had been lynched in this country (more than one a week), and at a time when obviously all would agree overt racial oppression of African Americans was the norm.

Of course it’s true that some black folks have done extraordinarily well in this society. No one ever suggested the impossibility of such a thing. But she achieved in spite of the system, not because of it.

That's what KILL white supremacist like you.

White supremacists, I’m starting to realize, don’t really believe what they’re saying (not deep down) You look around and see that light skin is a recessive trait. You see the economies of the white west faltering, slowly (or perhaps not so slowly), being challenged by that of China. You see black people excelling in any arena where we are given full and equal opportunity (not enough arenas, to be sure, but still) you see a world in which global white supremacy is everywhere being challenged. In which the white world’s militaries are incapable of subduing a rag-tag bunch of insurgents, with darker skin.

6. That's the thing Dennis, I do not buy into victimhood. Sure, bad things happened in the past to everybody, but we are living today and you are living in a country where the BBC specifically hires non whites. What more do you want? Affirmative action? You have it.

Calm down. The BBC is still very white at the top. Happy now ?

Plus I'm pretty sure you know that white men with a criminal record are more likely to get a a job than a black man without one.

I'm pretty sure you know this

Happy now ?

Then you have arguments for reparations. From whom to who? And where does that end?

No one deserves reparations more than black Americans. Black Americans who built the wealth of the USA.

Slavery was sanctioned by the federal government, and all those UNDER the government profited from free Black labor. So the same government & its subjects owe Black people for the free labor that accumulated ALL the wealth today. Your ancestors PROFITED for their "sins". And the PROFITS for those sins were passed down generationally to YOU. And those profits have been racially locked into the dominant society AWAY from the descendants of slaves

In order to justify American slavery, a culture of vile anti-Black racism was created and placed into ALL AREAS of activity. That systematic culture has been passed down TODAY and it has magnified into genocidal proportions at this point

Thus I believe in starting with yourself and getting an education

Education is part of the system of white supremacy because most teachers have lower expectations of black kids

Black kids are punished more harshly than white kids for minor behavioral infractions, even if they commit those infractions no more frequently than whites.

Black children are tracked into basic and remedial level classes while white kids are tracked into advanced and honors classes (whether or not they show promise and even sometimes quite a bit less)

Why are predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied books ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied microscopes and other lab equipment ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have hazardous waste near by black schools ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have to cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?

earning some money,

All the jobs are controlled by the white supremacists.

That's why people with white sounds names are preferred and why job discrimination for black people is rife and why black ppl with degrees are more likely to be out of work than whites

saving some money

And all the banks are controlled by the white supremacists

and building a decent life. It isn't that hard.

Yeah sure if your white.

However, from what I hear about US schools the same patterns exist and the black parents are more likely to be less involved in their education, be encouraged by peers to look down on learning, and thus it all starts from that rather than systemic racism.

Key words

"From what you hear" And that's the thing you don't know anything

[TitoFan]

Denilson, you must excuse our friend Gandalf.

He, as opposed to the rest of us, still gives a shit about whatever you have to say.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

Factually so and having lived in East Asia I have seen the difference in nurturing. Kids are raised to be doctors and teachers. Kids are raised learning languages and complex Mathematics as children. Kids are pushed to achieve within the bounds of strong family networks.

Fk you talking about ?

I think about the Asian women working twelve hours a day in sweatshops to make clothes for people you; They ain't Doctors and teachers. I think about the Asian families whose members have to put in eighty hours a week just to keep their heads above water; They ain't Doctors and teachers.

If you look at ethnic Koreans in Japan and the Burakumin there you'll find the same kind of consistent under performance relative to the dominant Japanese in terms of education and employment status. Both are targets of discrimination and treated like sh*t and although they are culturally and genetically indistinguishable from other Koreans or Japanese, they are consistently found at the bottom of Japanese society, and do worse than others in Japan and Korea.

This kinda debunks your notion of pan-Asian cultural superiority, it also suggests that a group’s caste status influences group outcomes: much as with blacks in the U.S., whose position has been similar to the Burakumin and ethnic Koreans in Japan.

Even when you look at so called Asians success this doesn’t translate into greater financial success nor job security.

This is evident in the Ivy League’s admissions.

They reject Asian applicants with higher GPAs and SATs than white students because they do not want more than 15% of the student body to be Asian. They apply these stereotypes because they do not want a c.h.i.n.k.s and g.o.oks making big bucks on Wall Street. They want a white boy to make big bucks on Wall Street, because of course, only white men are suitable for any big job. Right ?

Even the over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) dedicated to the advancement of education for blacks. However of course white supremacy affects them due to allocation of funding and resources that generally favor historically white universities like the Ivy League.

Not to mention that African Americans tend to be in the poorest areas of America were resources, teachers and local area are usually substandard. But then whites supremacists say blacks are stupid. Well why go to such efforts to fk shit up ? I mean were just gonna mess up everything. Right ?

White social domination makes sure white schools out compete with black schools.

but there is the genetic argument that won't go away

So according to your logic and albino man is not the same race as his parents because he is absolutely white ? Even though he was born out of a normal woman. Hence albinos are a different race ? Since they are genetically different than their parents. So albinos are a race of beings who are born of different race ?



So this black couple who gave birth to a white child are a different species ?

There is no clear, objective way to divide living humans into races that is based on biology. Are there three races? Six? Seven? How do you tell? And where do you draw the lines between them? And why ?

Race is skin deep, at best any two humans are 99.9% genetically the same, according to the Human Genome Project. And even that 0.1% is mostly made up of individual differences. Only 6.3% of that 0.1% comes from differences between races.

And I’m not into all this “We are the same”

But many scientists worked really hard on finding working definition of race as a biological fact. They all failed. They all failed not because genetic differences can’t be observed between various humans (after all, if there weren’t mDNA differences, we wouldn’t know much about human maternal ancestry).

They all failed because genetic differences do not support social races, races that divide people into (pardon my words) “black”, “white”, “yellow” and “red”.

Races have pretty much the same set of genes, just in different frequencies. And even those frequencies do not always fall along the lines of race. Skin colour changes as you go north to south. The frequency of blood type B changes as you go east to west

[TitoFan]

Denilson continues talking about white supremacy.

Meanwhile............

[walrus]

Omg brother big D is worse than the transphobia thread.

[Dark Lord Al]

If only the death cult following Denilson had a job, his voice may have more pull for his pathetic ethnic gripes.
Life is good for all of us and we all have our places in society .
Some people are jealous of others because they are worthless vermin.

[Gandalf]

Eh? You clearly ignored or did not take in what I was saying. You should not say someone is telling a lie when something verifiably true is told to you. Nor should you say something is ignored when it is addressed. Nor should you assume the experiences and actions of other black people when they are clearly nothing like you. The black people I have known do well because they are intelligent and are not ideological zealots like you. They respect the tolerance and freedom that the West provides. You come across as a bit rude, Dennis.

You are entitled to your point of view, but if life is so bad then go and live in one of the black utopia states and quit bitching. Those are your options. Stay and better yourself. Or go. Have a good day. If you are English then be an Englishman.