In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?

[TitoFan]

It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.

But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.

Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?

Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.

Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.

"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.



Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?

Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.

Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.

The best 160 pounder twice.

Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?

No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.

He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.

Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along).

THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).

And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.



Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.

For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.

You're welcome.

[holmcall]

Canelo's people see this as a good risk-reward proposition IMO. Kovelev is not a very good inside fighter and will be dismantled by Canelo’s wicked left hooks to the body. Once Kov weakens and tires—as he did against Yarde—the Redhead will look directly at the Russian’s stomach (as he did against James Kirkland) but throw a brutal right upstairs that the Russian will not see coming. He will be sedated ala Khan, Kirkland , Gomez, Baldamir, and others. The last guy to really wobble and hurt Canelo was Jose Cotto back in 2010. Thing is, Canelo has improved over the years and arguably is the best or second best one out there.

[Ron Swanson]

It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.

But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.

Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?

Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.

Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.

"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.



Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?

Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.

Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.

The best 160 pounder twice.

Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?

No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.

He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.

Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along).

THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).

And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.



Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.

For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.

You're welcome.

Best at 147-Mayweather, shouldn’t need explaining

Best at 154-Lara, The Ring had him number 1 in 2 different years surrounding the fight

Best at 160 twice-GGG. GGG is still the best at 160 until proven otherwise

I don’t really care that some had GGG winning both, I agree with them. It’s only relevant in this conversation that he fought them. Because I’m talking about expectations. We don’t expect fighters to win, we expect them to fight. Winning and losing is about how good you are, a separate subject. It’s well known I don’t think Canelo was even the best at 154, let alone 160. I’m discussing expectations

[TitoFan]

It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.

But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.

Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?

Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.

Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.

"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.



Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?

Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.

Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.

The best 160 pounder twice.

Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?

No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.

He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.

Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along).

THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).

And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.



Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.

For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.

You're welcome.

Best at 147-Mayweather, shouldn’t need explaining

Best at 154-Lara, The Ring had him number 1 in 2 different years surrounding the fight

Best at 160 twice-GGG. GGG is still the best at 160 until proven otherwise

I don’t really care that some had GGG winning both, I agree with them. It’s only relevant in this conversation that he fought them. Because I’m talking about expectations. We don’t expect fighters to win, we expect them to fight. Winning and losing is about how good you are, a separate subject. It’s well known I don’t think Canelo was even the best at 154, let alone 160. I’m discussing expectations

Yes. Yes it does.

Again, you're obviously very boxing knowledgeable. Which is why it's surprising to me to see you mention Canelo's fiasco against Floyd.

You see.... there have been two types of fights featuring Floyd Mayweather Jr.

One is the bonafide fight, where the opponent has worked his way up to the status of meriting a fight against Floyd.

Then you've got your "gifted opportunities", where the fight has been publicly and forcefully demanded, opponent merit be damned.

These are the "circus" fights, where the ending is a foregone conclusion, but the fight goes ahead anyway, on the pretense that it's somehow a legitimate fight.

Floyd-Canelo was of the latter variety. I was one of many who would've bet a fortune on the outcome of the fight and been right.

The only blemish on the result was the work of one C.J. Ross, either paid handsomely or legally blind, and still inexplicably judging fights.



So if you want to use Floyd as one of Canelo's measuring sticks for your "he fought the best" claim, go ahead. You're pretty forceful on your opinions, so it's likely to go unchallenged by most.

But I'll just expose it for the flawed argument it is.

Should we use the same logic for Khan's ill-fated attempt to fight Canelo, two weight divisions north? Does Khan get kudos for THAT monumental travesty?

Hell.... even then, I'd say Khan had a better chance at avoiding Canelo for 12 rounds while outboxing the shit out of him..... than Canelo had of coming within 5 feet of touching Mayweather.

Hatton fought Mayweather too, and was predictably embarrassed. That was back when he was on his post-Tzsyu high and claiming he was the world's p4p. He tried the same with Manny and BOOM.

Two doses of reality.

Same holds for Canelo. His blind fans demanded Floyd give him a shot and Floyd happily obliged. What happened in the ring was an embarrassment.... a shutout.

But I don't blame you for wanting to use that as a measuring stick. I'm only happy you "don't rate Canelo." It'd be scary to see what you'd write if you did.

[Gandalf]

It appears the fight is on and at 175. November 2nd it is. My only issue is that Kovalev just fought and had a heck of a tough couple of rounds. Surely it could not have hurt to make it December 2nd out of common decency. There is always some catch or other. However, maybe Kov is old school, it will keep him off the booze, and he will lay off heavy sparring for a few weeks and go in there and show what a knockout jab is.

[powerpuncher]

It appears the fight is on and at 175. November 2nd it is. My only issue is that Kovalev just fought and had a heck of a tough couple of rounds. Surely it could not have hurt to make it December 2nd out of common decency. There is always some catch or other. However, maybe Kov is old school, it will keep him off the booze, and he will lay off heavy sparring for a few weeks and go in there and show what a knockout jab is.

That’s the first thing I thought. It is really fast for someone that age to get back in the ring. If he would have destroyed Yarde in two rounds then it would be fine, but he went ten rounds and had some tough spots. We shall see what happens

[Master]

It appears the fight is on and at 175. November 2nd it is. My only issue is that Kovalev just fought and had a heck of a tough couple of rounds. Surely it could not have hurt to make it December 2nd out of common decency. There is always some catch or other. However, maybe Kov is old school, it will keep him off the booze, and he will lay off heavy sparring for a few weeks and go in there and show what a knockout jab is.

That’s the first thing I thought. It is really fast for someone that age to get back in the ring. If he would have destroyed Yarde in two rounds then it would be fine, but he went ten rounds and had some tough spots. We shall see what happens

I think it helps Kov. Staying busy and in camp will be better than resting and drinking.

Canelo must see a weakness, the body shots, Kov being stopped recently and having the judges on his side.

Still an intriguing and good fight. Hope Kov causes the upset.

[Master]

Canelo Alvarez vs Sergey Kovalev officially announced for November 2 in Las Vegas

Canelo Alvarez will challenge Sergey Kovalev for his WBO light-heavyweight title on November 2 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

The Mexican superstar has already won belts at super-welterweight, middleweight and super-middleweight, and is now set to jump up once again for a whole new challenge.

Despite having fought his last bout for the middleweight titles at 160lbs, Canelo will move up two divisions to take on the Russian at 175lbs.

It is new territory for the 29-year-old who is widely regarded as the biggest name in boxing today.

Kovalev’s last outing came on August 24 as he defended his belt by knocking out Britain’s Anthony Yarde in Russia.

Ten weeks after this taxing eleven-rounder, the 36-year-old is jumping straight back in against a fresh opponent with some doubting this is wise at the current stage of his career.



A few years ago, the Russian was unified champion and rated as one of the pound-for-pound best in boxing, but two losses to Andre Ward put paid to this status.

He’s since regained the WBO crown and adapted beautifully to win it back once again in February after being knocked out by Eleider Alvarez last year.

Canelo meanwhile escaped two fights against Gennady Golovkin without suffering any official defeat.

Despite most believing GGG beat him first time around, and a drugs controversy lingering in between, their rematch was far closer and the three judges gave Alvarez a slim decision victory which earned him the middleweight titles.



https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...lev-announced/