Why I’m hard on Loma, fair or foul?

[Master]

I say you are being too harsh on Loma.

In the short space of time he has achieved more than most fighters, fought top competition and is winning very impressively.

Crawford has done the same by winning at 3 weights but I do not rate him as the best welterweight.

Loma is a joy to watch and a marvel at the art of boxing. He is very special and should be appreciated. I think he is undersized at lightweight and fighting bigger men which makes his achievements even better.

Give the man a chance.

[imp]

I say you are being too harsh on Loma.

In the short space of time he has achieved more than most fighters, fought top competition and is winning very impressively.

Crawford has done the same by winning at 3 weights but I do not rate him as the best welterweight.

Loma is a joy to watch and a marvel at the art of boxing. He is very special and should be appreciated. I think he is undersized at lightweight and fighting bigger men which makes his achievements even better.

Give the man a chance.

Sometimes there’s a common link.

Some hate Mayweather (Master) so would jump at the chance to put anyone above him.

El kabong made some valid points about the Loma division etc.

I like Loma and put him above a drugs cheat like Canelo...Canelo is a great fighter but put a special top tier Boxer against him he gets outboxed as already proved when a out of prime, old Mayweather beat him him 11 rounds to 1.

Loma has superb footwork and can use his skills to nullify long reach and weight against him and I like his style..it’s refreshing and dangerous.

He is also a southpaw which is another advantage against everyone else..I see Loma and Crawford as the top fighters today and if Crawford beats Spence and unfifys the 147 division then I would want to see Loma beating Tank, Haney and Lopez by close of 2020.

[Ron Swanson]

I say you are being too harsh on Loma.

In the short space of time he has achieved more than most fighters, fought top competition and is winning very impressively.

(Space of time is irrelevant, only matters what you do)

Crawford has done the same by winning at 3 weights but I do not rate him as the best welterweight.

(You can’t knock a guy down P4P because he moves to a strong division, that’s ass backwards)

Loma is a joy to watch and a marvel at the art of boxing. He is very special and should be appreciated. I think he is undersized at lightweight and fighting bigger men which makes his achievements even better.

(Undersized is another fallacy like time used to prop him up. He fought at lightweight as an amateur, he’s a lightweight. He fought as a lightweight as a professional in World Boxing Series before “turning professional”, he’s a lightweight. He weighed 144.5 at his 30 day weigh in, he’s a lightweight)

Give the man a chance.

I am giving him a chance. What I’m not doing is giving him credit for what he hasn’t done yet.

[powerpuncher]

I don’t fault fans for putting Loma at #1, but I do think that there is pressure sometimes. He is one of the fighters who has been pushed from day 1. I have always had Crawford over Loma. Loma is #2, but I don’t think that Usyk or Inoue are far behind.

[El Kabong]

I want to see more of Usyk at heavyweight. Usyk vs AJ-Ruiz 2 winner would be mint

[Ron Swanson]

I don’t fault fans for putting Loma at #1, but I do think that there is pressure sometimes. He is one of the fighters who has been pushed from day 1. I have always had Crawford over Loma. Loma is #2, but I don’t think that Usyk or Inoue are far behind.

I don’t mind if they say “I just think he’s better”. It’s when fake things like quicker, or he’s small get elevated. He’s the same age as Crawford, he fought for his first title and lost the same exact day. Quicker from when a person turned pro is as fake as an accomplishment can be. He has a good shot of becoming number 1, earning it, let him earn it.

[Fenster]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

[erics44]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

[Master]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

You know the trouble with you is that you do not appreciate quality boxing of the highest order if it punched you in the face and knocked you out.

[Ron Swanson]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

Nobody needs to accuse you. You expose yourself.

You use the fake thing of how fast, because you are presenting a fake argument because you are fake. They are the same age, they fought for titles on the same day, Loma lost. Get at me when Crawford loses to someone with 14 losses. Won’t happen.

So you’ll come back and excuse his loss because “so fast” about a 26 year old man with over 400 fights. You’ll talk about another fake number of 2 pro fights. Ignoring the 6 pro fights he had with WBS. Ignoring that he was an amateur so long because he was PAID TO FIGHT as an amateur too. So fast builds him and is also plot armor for him. Because it is a plot, it’s not truth, it’s a story. So of course you’re here to tell it.

Tell us how he’s small too because I’d like to see you make all the fake points

[Beanz]

To be totally honest and fair. While Loma may be a little over-rated by some you do seem to have a massive issue with him Ron. It is not just begrudging respect from you, more like a bit of a desperate search for excuses to dismiss many of his achievements so far, which does leave me scratching my head a little.

[Fenster]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

Nobody needs to accuse you. You expose yourself.

You use the fake thing of how fast, because you are presenting a fake argument because you are fake. They are the same age, they fought for titles on the same day, Loma lost. Get at me when Crawford loses to someone with 14 losses. Won’t happen.

So you’ll come back and excuse his loss because “so fast” about a 26 year old man with over 400 fights. You’ll talk about another fake number of 2 pro fights. Ignoring the 6 pro fights he had with WBS. Ignoring that he was an amateur so long because he was PAID TO FIGHT as an amateur too. So fast builds him and is also plot armor for him. Because it is a plot, it’s not truth, it’s a story. So of course you’re here to tell it.

Tell us how he’s small too because I’d like to see you make all the fake points

I know for a fact you wont know who these people are (I don't give a fuck how old you are, means nothing on boxing forums, middle-aged men are just as moronic as kids) If Crawford fought Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero in his first few fights, is there a chance he'd have lost?