Why I’m hard on Loma, fair or foul?

[powerpuncher]

I don’t fault fans for putting Loma at #1, but I do think that there is pressure sometimes. He is one of the fighters who has been pushed from day 1. I have always had Crawford over Loma. Loma is #2, but I don’t think that Usyk or Inoue are far behind.

[El Kabong]

I want to see more of Usyk at heavyweight. Usyk vs AJ-Ruiz 2 winner would be mint

[Ron Swanson]

I don’t fault fans for putting Loma at #1, but I do think that there is pressure sometimes. He is one of the fighters who has been pushed from day 1. I have always had Crawford over Loma. Loma is #2, but I don’t think that Usyk or Inoue are far behind.

I don’t mind if they say “I just think he’s better”. It’s when fake things like quicker, or he’s small get elevated. He’s the same age as Crawford, he fought for his first title and lost the same exact day. Quicker from when a person turned pro is as fake as an accomplishment can be. He has a good shot of becoming number 1, earning it, let him earn it.

[Fenster]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

[erics44]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

[Master]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

You know the trouble with you is that you do not appreciate quality boxing of the highest order if it punched you in the face and knocked you out.

[erics44]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

You know the trouble with you is that you do not appreciate quality boxing of the highest order if it punched you in the face and knocked you out.

No I do, I just don't appricate constant bumming, Loma can throw no punches in a round and he the best technician in history and his footwork is amazing and he's so sexy, and he won 396 fights and lost 1 which he avenged twice and he won all loads of belts in just 12 fights, best ever

Get a grip Bradley, he hasn't thrown a punch for the last 3 minutes you balloon, mention that, or the fact that he just lost the first 3 rounds clearly

[Master]

Dickrider

Problem with Loma is I'm bored of people bumming him, I'd have enjoyed the fight on Saturday night if it wasn't for Timothy Bradley's excessive bumming

You know the trouble with you is that you do not appreciate quality boxing of the highest order if it punched you in the face and knocked you out.

No I do, I just don't appricate constant bumming, Loma can throw no punches in a round and he the best technician in history and his footwork is amazing and he's so sexy, and he won 396 fights and lost 1 which he avenged twice and he won all loads of belts in just 12 fights, best ever

Get a grip Bradley, he hasn't thrown a punch for the last 3 minutes you balloon, mention that, or the fact that he just lost the first 3 rounds clearly

Have you heard about Andre Ward not losing a boxing match since he was 12?

[Ron Swanson]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

Nobody needs to accuse you. You expose yourself.

You use the fake thing of how fast, because you are presenting a fake argument because you are fake. They are the same age, they fought for titles on the same day, Loma lost. Get at me when Crawford loses to someone with 14 losses. Won’t happen.

So you’ll come back and excuse his loss because “so fast” about a 26 year old man with over 400 fights. You’ll talk about another fake number of 2 pro fights. Ignoring the 6 pro fights he had with WBS. Ignoring that he was an amateur so long because he was PAID TO FIGHT as an amateur too. So fast builds him and is also plot armor for him. Because it is a plot, it’s not truth, it’s a story. So of course you’re here to tell it.

Tell us how he’s small too because I’d like to see you make all the fake points

[Beanz]

To be totally honest and fair. While Loma may be a little over-rated by some you do seem to have a massive issue with him Ron. It is not just begrudging respect from you, more like a bit of a desperate search for excuses to dismiss many of his achievements so far, which does leave me scratching my head a little.

[Ron Swanson]

To be totally honest and fair. While Loma may be a little over-rated by some you do seem to have a massive issue with him Ron. It is not just begrudging respect from you, more like a bit of a desperate search for excuses to dismiss many of his achievements so far, which does leave me scratching my head a little.

Explain, what achievement do I diminish? The time thing is fake, clearly, he fought as a pro and it’s completely ignored. And even if it wasn’t fake it doesn’t mean anything. What he has done by 31 is what he has done

FTR, I have him number 2 P4P.

[Beanz]

To be totally honest and fair. While Loma may be a little over-rated by some you do seem to have a massive issue with him Ron. It is not just begrudging respect from you, more like a bit of a desperate search for excuses to dismiss many of his achievements so far, which does leave me scratching my head a little.

Explain, what achievement do I diminish? The time thing is fake, clearly, he fought as a pro and it’s completely ignored. And even if it wasn’t fake it doesn’t mean anything. What he has done by 31 is what he has done

FTR, I have him number 2 P4P.

It is way too early for him to be given some of the accolades he has, but there is no denying the meteoric nature of his rise. You diminish that by pretending losing to Salido was any indication of his quality and by elevating Crawford into something he isn't yet. It took Crawford 22 fights before he was ready to go 12 rounds with Ricky Burns. God bless the guy, heart of a lion, but Ricky Burns was still dong Saturdays at his local shop at the time. You can't carry on pretending that the pro and amateur games are the same because of something like money either or that everyone is more gullible or less knowledgeable than you, or worse still, racist because they disagree. It undermines your whole argument.

If you believe in such an abstract thing as P4P and have him at 2 anyway I don't even see what your argument is really.

[Fenster]

What Loma's achieved in 15 fights is unprecedented. 15 fights at championship level. One reason some "genuine" fans don't appreciate Loma is they're so used to seeing "padded" records. 35-0 looks more impressive that 14-1... until you look under the bonnet.

Lets start by comparing Crawford's first 15 fights with Loma's? It is laughable. Crawford had 15 fights against club fighters/"bums" (which is the norm). 19 fights before his first 10-rounder. 22 before his first "world" title shot.

If Crawford had Loma's schedule when he started, he'd have fought Nate Campbell for the WBO title in his 2nd fight, Juan Guzman in his 3rd, Edwin Valero in his 8th and Juan Manuel Marquez in his 11th or 12th. I kid you not.

Crawford has faced 7 former "world" champs in 12 years.
Loma has faced 9 former "world" champs in 6 years.

Crawford's light-welter unification - Dulorme (WBO), Postol (WBC), Indongo (IBF/WBA).
Loma's lightweight unification - Linares (WBA), Pedraza (WBO), Campbell (WBC) ..... *And either Commey/Lopez (IBF).*

Crawford is a great fighter, HOFamer, however, even without the "eye test," there's no comparison between the two. Loma is special level talent. (now I read a thousand accusations of "liar" and "dickrider" and "KKK member" )

Nobody needs to accuse you. You expose yourself.

You use the fake thing of how fast, because you are presenting a fake argument because you are fake. They are the same age, they fought for titles on the same day, Loma lost. Get at me when Crawford loses to someone with 14 losses. Won’t happen.

So you’ll come back and excuse his loss because “so fast” about a 26 year old man with over 400 fights. You’ll talk about another fake number of 2 pro fights. Ignoring the 6 pro fights he had with WBS. Ignoring that he was an amateur so long because he was PAID TO FIGHT as an amateur too. So fast builds him and is also plot armor for him. Because it is a plot, it’s not truth, it’s a story. So of course you’re here to tell it.

Tell us how he’s small too because I’d like to see you make all the fake points

I know for a fact you wont know who these people are (I don't give a fuck how old you are, means nothing on boxing forums, middle-aged men are just as moronic as kids) If Crawford fought Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero in his first few fights, is there a chance he'd have lost?

[El Kabong]

OK hate on Loma for getting a title shot immediately, then where's the hate for Guillermo Rigondeaux for getting one so quickly? Where's the hate for Zhou Shiming?

Lomachenko was a stud amateur. Being a stud amateur doesn't mean for certain you'll be any good at all as a pro, but Loma has delivered on the big stage. If anything staying in the amateurs SHOULD have limited his development as a fighter not made him better.

There have been plenty of "Golden Boys" out there, cash cows who get fat off of bums and then fold when the going gets tough...that's not Lomachenko. He's a good fighter as far as record goes and a great fighter by what I've seen in the ring, but that is a label you place on someone at the end of their career so as of now I can only say he LOOKS great in fights but he's yet to become a great fighter, we'll see what happens.

Who should he have fought by now? People hating on him think he's picking his opponents because he can beat them? Floyd did that his entire career and BLATANTLY later on in his career, but he's still great. I don't see the need to put down Bud Crawford either he's a heck of a figther too, Bud being phenomenal and Loma being phenomenal aren't mutually exclusive. Errol Spence is damn impressive too!


Bottom line, Lomachenko is an exciting fighter and people (not just the hardcore fans) love watching him work in the ring....enjoy it.