In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?

[TitoFan]

It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.

But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.

Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?

Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.

Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.

"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.



Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?

Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.

Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.

The best 160 pounder twice.

Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?

No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.

He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.

Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along).

THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).

And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.



Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.

For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.

You're welcome.

Best at 147-Mayweather, shouldn’t need explaining

Best at 154-Lara, The Ring had him number 1 in 2 different years surrounding the fight

Best at 160 twice-GGG. GGG is still the best at 160 until proven otherwise

I don’t really care that some had GGG winning both, I agree with them. It’s only relevant in this conversation that he fought them. Because I’m talking about expectations. We don’t expect fighters to win, we expect them to fight. Winning and losing is about how good you are, a separate subject. It’s well known I don’t think Canelo was even the best at 154, let alone 160. I’m discussing expectations

Yes. Yes it does.

Again, you're obviously very boxing knowledgeable. Which is why it's surprising to me to see you mention Canelo's fiasco against Floyd.

You see.... there have been two types of fights featuring Floyd Mayweather Jr.

One is the bonafide fight, where the opponent has worked his way up to the status of meriting a fight against Floyd.

Then you've got your "gifted opportunities", where the fight has been publicly and forcefully demanded, opponent merit be damned.

These are the "circus" fights, where the ending is a foregone conclusion, but the fight goes ahead anyway, on the pretense that it's somehow a legitimate fight.

Floyd-Canelo was of the latter variety. I was one of many who would've bet a fortune on the outcome of the fight and been right.

The only blemish on the result was the work of one C.J. Ross, either paid handsomely or legally blind, and still inexplicably judging fights.



So if you want to use Floyd as one of Canelo's measuring sticks for your "he fought the best" claim, go ahead. You're pretty forceful on your opinions, so it's likely to go unchallenged by most.

But I'll just expose it for the flawed argument it is.

Should we use the same logic for Khan's ill-fated attempt to fight Canelo, two weight divisions north? Does Khan get kudos for THAT monumental travesty?

Hell.... even then, I'd say Khan had a better chance at avoiding Canelo for 12 rounds while outboxing the shit out of him..... than Canelo had of coming within 5 feet of touching Mayweather.

Hatton fought Mayweather too, and was predictably embarrassed. That was back when he was on his post-Tzsyu high and claiming he was the world's p4p. He tried the same with Manny and BOOM.

Two doses of reality.

Same holds for Canelo. His blind fans demanded Floyd give him a shot and Floyd happily obliged. What happened in the ring was an embarrassment.... a shutout.

But I don't blame you for wanting to use that as a measuring stick. I'm only happy you "don't rate Canelo." It'd be scary to see what you'd write if you did.