The Brexit Thread

[Beanz]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

[Master]

Meanwhile, Scottish judges just ruled that Boris unlawfully suspended Parliament. He has expelled 21 MP’s, lost his mandate and wanted to close Parliament illegally.

The man should resign.

We have never had a worse idiot in charge and we have had a few. Cameron for getting us in this mess and running off and May for not delivering when she had the majority.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

You have issues.

[Gandalf]

Corbyn is not a realist either. He appears very conflicted and all over the place. He is an old man who has flip flopped on a lifetime aversion to the EU based on being held hostage by his own party. He knows full well what the EU is and he knows full well he can nationalize very little within it and he knows he will be crushed in an election. 25% is being optimistic. Basically students and London. The North is long gone now and that was traditional Labour ground. Tax havens are an issue, but to rely on an unelected superstate to 'solve' it is reaching to say the least.

Beanz, if you consider yourself European, then go and live in Europe. You have 20 odd countries to choose from. Go back to your roots, but you won't as you know full well that it is you who wants the British pound. It is one reason you are so pro EU as you have said in the past it is good for your business. Your motives are selfish.

Personally I don't make a penny from Brexit and my motivations are purely based on the belief that no nation should be occupied. Would you deny the freedom of former British colonies? No. Yet you are desperate to remain a colony.

You know how Greece has been treated. You know what a crappy deal the EU is offering and yet you still want it. I find it peculiar, but if your own motivation is money then it makes sense.

If Boris is going to go for No Deal. Well, I am no Tory, but I say go for it. I am British, not European. You consider yourself European first, so act on it and let the British people be British if that is what the majority want.

[Beanz]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

[Beanz]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

[Gandalf]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

No, you said many of your clients and work come from operating in the EU. I did not say the EU funds you directly.

Your motivations are certainly not about the will of the people. I am all for it. Have an election or else just leave as the people directed.

[Beanz]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

No, you said many of your clients and work come from operating in the EU. I did not say the EU funds you directly.

Your motivations are certainly not about the will of the people. I am all for it. Have an election or else just leave as the people directed.

No I didn't. You just made that up. I am one of the people. Far more than you, an individual who not only does not live in this country, but did not even vote in the referendum. You don't give a fuck about the people it why you fucked off. That is the entire point. You want to box people into corners because you are a political naive simpleton. You are also not a very nice bloke. You want to be able to declare yourself a working class economic socialist whilst making excuses for the worst kind of Tory. A group of feudal privileged and corrupt bully boys have seized power and you want to claim some of it and use it as justification for your own racist bullshit. Here you are boasting about holding grudges about the Napoleonic War and WW1 an 2 with a straight face as though you were an Imperialist old Codger all along. You are a joke mate. If German Jews can get over it you need to pull your socks up and act like a big boy not demand like El Kaobong that the world makes a special shaped hole for you both and bends to your politically correct demands. You are now suggesting that my old man marrying a German makes me a Nazi and still pretending that you are not a racist?

All you have is this remoaner bullshit because like the dumb El Kabong you refuse to engage with any kind of debate here. For you both it is a little safe space to engage your pathetic whiny polemic in matters that have literally no impact on you. Anyone refuses to blow smoke up your arse and you just resort to claiming they have issues or as mentally fragile as the pair of you. You use the same tactic with Master. The guy voted for leaving the EU bit because he has the common sense to not want to plunge the UK into chaos with no Deal you portray him as some kind of remainer. That is the kind of dishonesty you both display in your rush to avoid actually challenging yourselves. I am not arguing to remain I am just standing up to actual tyranny. Not the imagined EU bogyman that you probably frap off to but an actual government and ethos that has seen the most vulnerable in this country thrown to the dogs because like you those in charge would rather castigate the working poor and disabled than hold the non-tax paying oligarchs, mainstream Media Moguls and despots to account.

Nobody is stopping you coming back to Britain but you. You think an awful lot of yourself and not very much of anyone else it seems. You see yourself as 'educated and capable' but other economic migrants just like you are deemed as stupid and dangerous and freeloaders when most of them are not living the easy life you boast about over there in South Career.

What a fecking arse of a bloke you really are.

[Gandalf]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

No deal appeals to me because it is the most direct means of leaving an undemocratic and unchosen overlord of a supposedly great and democratic nation that actually led the democratic way for much of Europe for centuries.

You have declared yourself European and indeed declared that you would rather have immigrants than educated and capable people like myself, so you can consider yourself as patriotic as you like, but you do not appear so with your acceptance of tyranny.

Also the majority of Brits do not think like you whence Brexit winning in the first place and which explains why Jezza is terrified of an election. Anne Widdecombe represents you and the people around you voted for her lest we forget.

You could just accept the democratic result of a referendum. You don't see me still crying over the Scottish referendum years later but you remoaners are something else entirely. Accusing someone of being a money man Tory is lame to say the least.

Yep, and great argument with the culture point. The man who hates Nazi's hints at a common cultural heritage. Lol. Have you forgotten the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2, and dozens of other wars among the wonderful culturally sharing tribes of Europe? Nope, I actually have nothing in common with Nazi's. Glad to see you potentially do though.

Nope, I am not all that into Europe. Imagine sharing power with pervy little Macron and crushing Greece so that women sell their bodies and opening borders to rapists etc. How can you endorse any of that? Get out and have a fresh start. You cannot control massive centralisation. We know this from China, to America, to many systems of the past. To control tyranny you need a small nation state and representatives who you can track and control. The EU is the oppposite of that really.

Westminster can be controlled by the people. The EU cannot.

[El Kabong]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.

[Beanz]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.

Yes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.

We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.

Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.

You really are a pair of idiots.

[walrus]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.

Yes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.

We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.

Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.

You really are a pair of idiots.

Why are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.

[El Kabong]

Yes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.

We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.

Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.

You really are a pair of idiots.

So still with the insults then...could have been shorter

From a quick Wikipedia search

Anglo-Saxons:The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited Great Britain from the 5th century. They comprise people from Germanic tribes who migrated to the island from continental Europe, their descendants, and indigenous British groups who adopted many aspects of Anglo-Saxon culture and language; the cultural foundations laid by the Anglo-Saxons are the foundation of the modern English legal system and of many aspects of English society; the modern English language owes over half its words – including the most common words of everyday speech – to the language of the Anglo-Saxons. Historically, the Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period in Britain between about 450 and 1066, after their initial settlement and up until the Norman conquest.

....so they've been in that geopolitical nationstate for quite some time then?

You're a cultural superpower eh? How does that follow when you are adamant about the whole of British culture being imported from elsewhere. What traditions from the native inhabitants of Britain are left? Druidism?

Surely all cultures due to trade and wars and rivalries adopt from other cultures, but you just dismiss your cultural superpower status as quickly as you claim it: Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history.

Touting Roman and Greek culture is touting the very start of WESTERN CIVILIZATION and if I were to do that I believe you'd call me a bigot I mean you already would, but you'd really lay it in if I were to say "See, the West is best".

Europe isn't the United States. The United States is a union of individual states to form 1 geopolitical nation state. A nation state being: a sovereign state whose citizens or subjects are relatively homogeneous in factors such as language or common descent. The individual states within our nation can of course have their own local laws and taxation, but you'd have to understand the history of America in order to understand how our system came to be....the states haven't typically gone to war against each other, bar the one giant time which is certainly up for discussion and debate as to who was in the right and who was in the wrong in how it was handled and I'm not afraid to have my say on it as I've studied up on it quite a bit rather than just believed the dumbed down version of events spoonfed to schoolchildren.

France and Germany have gone to war with each other several times....that's hardly like Georgia and Tennessee or North and South Carolina or Alabama and Mississippi or New York and New Jersey and so on. England has been bitter rivals of Spain, France, and Germany for ages....a Union of those nations is going to go smoothly? I know a union of those nations has been tried a couple times....how did those go? Oh those were by force and this time it's voluntary oh until it's NOT and then we've got Britain held hostage by the European Union....can I tell you a little tale of secession and how that goes when you're a cash cow for the union? It ain't pretty. But you'll find out. The yellow vests in France are finding out, their own leaders calling in EU forces on them....oh wait wasn't the EU going to NOT have an army and armed forces?

Is there a secret plan to create an EU army?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ate-an-eu-army

No longer able to rely on America’s military leadership, the EU is harmonizing its military capabilities and facilities
http://www.german-times.com/no-longe...nd-facilities/


......well enjoy