The Brexit Thread

[Beanz]

You are and always have been on the side of the mainstream establishment media. You always have been El Kabong. Not once in the entire history of your posting here at Saddo have you voiced even one individual thought. You do what Rupert Murdoch asks you to. You literally ignore any inconvenient truth in order to cling to the identity politics that define your sorry history of posting here.

Murdoch once said that when he went to Downing street they did what he said and when he went to Europe they take no notice. That is why you are so pro Brexit. It is all about deregulation, the erosion of human rights, the destruction of the environment in the name of arrogant self interest. It has absolutely nothing to do with being on the side of the people. You could never give a shit about Britain, in fact your embarrassing and clueless version of the UK bears very little resemblance to reality because you are a childish fantasist. You claim to hate Hollywood and yet I have never met a person who finds the time to watch so many films. You will never grow up because you refuse to listen, you refuse to debate, you refuse even to argue. You claim that I am mental, dangerous, not English, Not white enough, Not one of the people, not a proper Christian, not representative of anyone but the wrong kind of people, anything in order to stick your fingers in your ears and go back to the Murdoch script.

You get furious when people are not as negative as you , when people don't share your prejudices. Look at your self demanding that Britain should nurture an enmity against the Germans over WW2. You hate it that people are no so one dimensional and bitter and simplistic as you. That is an incredibly fucked up way to live your life. You talk about things you have NO experience of as though you are a world authority and you know Jack Shit about most of the things you choose to opine on. You think that some abstract 'feelings' you have should trump the actual lived experience of people and inconvenient things like facts.

Britain when we finally leave the EU will lose billions of pounds. Sterling already falling will plummet. That is not an abstract thing for me. That means everything myself and my family have worked hard for will be worth less. To you it is all just a game because you don't have a dog in the fight. It really comes to something when i am told worrying about my Mrs dying on me is just being selfish and yet here you are still ripping the piss out of the entire situation like a kid smashing down something a group has built together out of some kind of jealous spitefulness. What difference does it make to you with your arsehole of a President that will fuck the UK over given half a chance.

The Tories who refused to back Boris were sacked. They did not flee anything. Boris is a serial liar and you have always backed serial liars. Look at the way you tout Trump as a role model. Why should anyone respect you after years of that? You made yourself a joke, nobody forced that on you. You have come down firmly on the side of censorship and the abandoning of any law you see as not applying to you, just like the cunts in the British Cabinet. Like them your allegiances are with a corrupt Israel, Saudi Arabia, Murdoch, huge corporations etc and not America or the UK or the British or American people.

You are a neo liberal globalist to the core just like Donald and Rupert. You like the No Deal Brexiteers back Austerity and deregulation, the avoidance of personal responsibility like paying your taxes. The stealing of community resources through privatization and the rush to globalize the world and force everyone to model themselves on what you think is a dominant culture despite being less than 500 years old and being responsible for more wars and environmental and cultural damage than any Empire in history. The dangerous Empire is yours and so of course you see any effort to call it to account as a threat.

[Gandalf]

All I have put forward is the notion that it is better to decentralize systems of power rather than concentrate them. I do not think you voted for Brexit based on medicine for your wife at all though, Beanz. You voted for it because you believe, and of course belief means buying into a cult, that something greater should be running your country, something greater than Parliament in fact. I happen to think that is awful. I don't hate Europeans or anyone, but we are very different and that should be respected. It is about British people first and if they want to not be part of an Empire that alters its communities and dictates its laws then you should have the decency to respect that.

If you were to ask East Asians if they would like an open border superstate they would consider you a nutter and rightly so. It can ONLY lead to problems as Greece saw when it could not control its currency, as southern Europe knows with record youth unemployment, as many cities of Europe now know with no go zones. Of course the Thai and Vietnamese would flood in and the rich would love it! However, it would be treason, so when you call me dangerous I do wonder as my views are quite straightforward and how things have been done for much of our history and that of others too. Some nations such as here and Eastern Europe also remember occupation and it generally leads to unrest and resentment. That is what Brexit was.

A nation state on its singular terms is the only way to regulate and protect the people in a country and for the people in turn to hold the state to account and history tells us this happened again and again and again.

As for the medicine nonsense. Do you not recall what you were being told if people even voted for Brexit? The sky did not fall and frankly beyond a short term economic hit the UK will be fine. Europe will be hit too though and a message hammered home.

There is more to life than money and that is the only argument remainers have. If you are worried about meds then stock up, but I think you are being hyperbolic and listening to too much propaganda. As for Kirks arguments about the welfare state and NHS. Well, that is hardly helped by unskilled migrants, lazy locals, health tourists and unhealthy locals. It costs a lot to treat preventable diabetes amongst others. The NHS was brought in at a time when people simply did not live so long too. Some of the welfare state likely does need an overhaul.

At the end of the day if the Tories screw up then people can vote Labour or something new, but the EU is a trading partner and nothing more beyond that. The sooner people get over their grief and denial the better. Nobody voted to join an Empire and the people voted to leave. That it still has not happened is ridiculous.

And as for your family, Beanz, then nothing is stopping them carrying on as normal. I can go and live in a country as long as I can afford it and you can typically extend your visa for a cost. If you are working then you work on a visa. Is that such a big deal? Honestly, the histrionics are so silly.

[walrus]

Is the forum acting silly tonight I’m having difficulties getting on.

[Master]

It is very slow and cutting out. @Saddo help

[walrus]

It is very slow and cutting out. @Saddo help

Yes and beaner and miles were going at it good.

[Master]

It is very slow and cutting out. @Saddo help

Yes and beaner and miles were going at it good.

Well you know what they say, “every cloud has a silver lining”

[Beanz]

All I have put forward is the notion that it is better to decentralize systems of power rather than concentrate them. I do not think you voted for Brexit based on medicine for your wife at all though, Beanz. You voted for it because you believe, and of course belief means buying into a cult, that something greater should be running your country, something greater than Parliament in fact. I happen to think that is awful. I don't hate Europeans or anyone, but we are very different and that should be respected. It is about British people first and if they want to not be part of an Empire that alters its communities and dictates its laws then you should have the decency to respect that.

If you were to ask East Asians if they would like an open border superstate they would consider you a nutter and rightly so. It can ONLY lead to problems as Greece saw when it could not control its currency, as southern Europe knows with record youth unemployment, as many cities of Europe now know with no go zones. Of course the Thai and Vietnamese would flood in and the rich would love it! However, it would be treason, so when you call me dangerous I do wonder as my views are quite straightforward and how things have been done for much of our history and that of others too. Some nations such as here and Eastern Europe also remember occupation and it generally leads to unrest and resentment. That is what Brexit was.

A nation state on its singular terms is the only way to regulate and protect the people in a country and for the people in turn to hold the state to account and history tells us this happened again and again and again.

As for the medicine nonsense. Do you not recall what you were being told if people even voted for Brexit? The sky did not fall and frankly beyond a short term economic hit the UK will be fine. Europe will be hit too though and a message hammered home.

There is more to life than money and that is the only argument remainers have. If you are worried about meds then stock up, but I think you are being hyperbolic and listening to too much propaganda. As for Kirks arguments about the welfare state and NHS. Well, that is hardly helped by unskilled migrants, lazy locals, health tourists and unhealthy locals. It costs a lot to treat preventable diabetes amongst others. The NHS was brought in at a time when people simply did not live so long too. Some of the welfare state likely does need an overhaul.

At the end of the day if the Tories screw up then people can vote Labour or something new, but the EU is a trading partner and nothing more beyond that. The sooner people get over their grief and denial the better. Nobody voted to join an Empire and the people voted to leave. That it still has not happened is ridiculous.

And as for your family, Beanz, then nothing is stopping them carrying on as normal. I can go and live in a country as long as I can afford it and you can typically extend your visa for a cost. If you are working then you work on a visa. Is that such a big deal? Honestly, the histrionics are so silly.

All you have put forward is the Murdoch script you have been conditioned to repeat from. It is instructive that the most vocal persons in this thread are two people who do not live in either this century or the UK. The Empire has gone and Britain would really benefit from severing it's ties with America and Saudi etc rather than pretending that we are somehow incapable of holding constructive talks with people on our doorstep. You seem to want the word to descend into Mugabe style one party states with enforced eugenics and the replacement in the UK of the Full English Breakfast with a fucking McMuffin and a side order of Covfefe.

Read the opening post in this thread and then see how you have spent the last 41 pages sticking up for the Tories, Murdoch, The Barclay Brothers, cunts like Piers Morgan who hacks dead children's phones, Boris , Mogg, a bunch of Insurance salesmen, Bankers, city traders, and Russian Oligarchs.

The very people who have used the same neo liberal policies you subscribe to as a weapon to attack the British people with and bring them to their knees. Admit it . You wish you had gone to Eaton, you love the right wing press and have always hated the common working man and the immigrant as you see both as clearly being beneath you. You say it every day in as many words. Every immigrant but you on earth is unskilled in your eyes. You believe in 'Private Law' , drunk on your own privilege you cannot understand why other people are not exactly like you.

You are arguing for the removal of any financial regulation and no tax to be paid by the elite. You are firmly on the side of climate change deniers, globalists and organised religion. You sold out wholesale.

[Gandalf]

All I have put forward is the notion that it is better to decentralize systems of power rather than concentrate them. I do not think you voted for Brexit based on medicine for your wife at all though, Beanz. You voted for it because you believe, and of course belief means buying into a cult, that something greater should be running your country, something greater than Parliament in fact. I happen to think that is awful. I don't hate Europeans or anyone, but we are very different and that should be respected. It is about British people first and if they want to not be part of an Empire that alters its communities and dictates its laws then you should have the decency to respect that. If you were to ask East Asians if they would like an open border superstate they would consider you a nutter and rightly so. It can ONLY lead to problems as Greece saw when it could not control its currency, as southern Europe knows with record youth unemployment, as many cities of Europe now know with no go zones. Of course the Thai and Vietnamese would flood in and the rich would love it! However, it would be treason, so when you call me dangerous I do wonder as my views are quite straightforward and how things have been done for much of our history and that of others too. Some nations such as here and Eastern Europe also remember occupation and it generally leads to unrest and resentment. That is what Brexit was. A nation state on its singular terms is the only way to regulate and protect the people in a country and for the people in turn to hold the state to account and history tells us this happened again and again and again. As for the medicine nonsense. Do you not recall what you were being told if people even voted for Brexit? The sky did not fall and frankly beyond a short term economic hit the UK will be fine. Europe will be hit too though and a message hammered home. There is more to life than money and that is the only argument remainers have. If you are worried about meds then stock up, but I think you are being hyperbolic and listening to too much propaganda. As for Kirks arguments about the welfare state and NHS. Well, that is hardly helped by unskilled migrants, lazy locals, health tourists and unhealthy locals. It costs a lot to treat preventable diabetes amongst others. The NHS was brought in at a time when people simply did not live so long too. Some of the welfare state likely does need an overhaul. At the end of the day if the Tories screw up then people can vote Labour or something new, but the EU is a trading partner and nothing more beyond that. The sooner people get over their grief and denial the better. Nobody voted to join an Empire and the people voted to leave. That it still has not happened is ridiculous. And as for your family, Beanz, then nothing is stopping them carrying on as normal. I can go and live in a country as long as I can afford it and you can typically extend your visa for a cost. If you are working then you work on a visa. Is that such a big deal? Honestly, the histrionics are so silly.

All you have put forward is the Murdoch script you have been conditioned to repeat from. It is instructive that the most vocal persons in this thread are two people who do not live in either this century or the UK. The Empire has gone and Britain would really benefit from severing it's ties with America and Saudi etc rather than pretending that we are somehow incapable of holding constructive talks with people on our doorstep. You seem to want the word to descend into Mugabe style one party states with enforced eugenics and the replacement in the UK of the Full English Breakfast with a fucking McMuffin and a side order of Covfefe. Read the opening post in this thread and then see how you have spent the last 41 pages sticking up for the Tories, Murdoch, The Barclay Brothers, cunts like Piers Morgan who hacks dead children's phones, Boris , Mogg, a bunch of Insurance salesmen, Bankers, city traders, and Russian Oligarchs. The very people who have used the same neo liberal policies you subscribe to as a weapon to attack the British people with and bring them to their knees. Admit it . You wish you had gone to Eaton, you love the right wing press and have always hated the common working man and the immigrant as you see both as clearly being beneath you. You say it every day in as many words. Every immigrant but you on earth is unskilled in your eyes. You believe in 'Private Law' , drunk on your own privilege you cannot understand why other people are not exactly like you. You are arguing for the removal of any financial regulation and no tax to be paid by the elite. You are firmly on the side of climate change deniers, globalists and organised religion. You sold out wholesale.

If me and Murdoch think alike, then it is pleasing to know that his motives really are as simple as believing in Britain as a nation state like so many other countries around the world function as. However, I do not of course think you are giving me that benefit of the doubt are of course projecting what you would like me to be rather than what I really am. I don't actually see myself advocating anything more than Britain having a Parliament as the supreme body which is chosen by the British people to represent the British people. Is that really so horrifying to you? I have not deviated at all in thinking Brexit was and is the correct thing to do from a purely moral way of thinking. I do not believe British people should have their borders open nor have rules enforced beyond Parliament. It is that damn simple. If it is a script, then I have been reading it a good 3 years or so now and don't actually read much of Murdoch's press. It must be a meeting of the minds.


There is nothing stopping Britain from having a decent relationship with the EU after leaving. However, we do know that the handsome chap at the Lib Dem gathering has said that he would like to make things worse for Britain. Now, that is revealing, right? The people you want to stay with will try and make your life worse if you do not act as their subordinates. I am sorry, but that is not how you create peace or move on and that is why I prefer No Deal. There will be fall out regardless and people know that, but the EU has to understand that it too will face penalties because of the way it has behaved. Now, it can pretend that the UK is like Greece, but it is a whole different ball game and it is really in their interests to reasonable and if they cannot do that, then No Deal it is. You want reason, but if no reason is offered, then you teach the bully the hard way. And they are bullies. Greece was bullied beyond all reason and these are the people you want to be buddies with? Strange.



I am not sure why you think I want a one party state. I actually like a Social Democrat political system where people get to choose from a variety of parties and I would prefer proportional representation as that, like a referendum, is just more democratic. I am a pretty democratic kind of guy. I do not eat a full English breakfast as it is very unhealthy and bacon is full of phosphates that do very serious damage. However, there is no denying that an English breakfast taken in small doses is a very enjoyable thing. I have very little in common with Robert Mugabe.



That list of things is all well and good, but my opening paragraph here really encapsulates my point which you never seem to accept. I am not for instance saying that Morgan is a good person, but he was correct to call out a Labour Party that has ZERO consistency. Corbyn promised to respect the results of the election, he immediately called for the leave to be kicked into motion and here he is arguing for a new referendum. The vote was simple: Stay or Leave. So simplistic it could be a Clash lyric. No confusion to be had. The people want to go. It was democratic, both sides spoke gibberish. However, the people understand what the question meant.



Nope, I do not wish I had gone to Eton. I am too pretty for a place like that. Even when choosing a University for the first time I could have gone to a far better one, but just wanted to be around my friends. I am not all that snobby. I don't think the ordinary working person is beneath me. It is you who spits on the notion of working on a checkout counter considering yourself the arty type. I have done jobs packing vegetables, washing dishes, working in bookies. I was hardly born with a silver spoon and hanging out in torture dungeons with hedge funders. A pretty ordinary person in the great scheme of things, but for sure, I do not approve of open borders and Filipino's going to the West on student visa's and then with some savings then be able to import the rest of their family which happens and then be able to stay indefinitely. One cannot do the same in the other direction and thus I am critical of such things. It doesn't mean I am superior, but it means that people are taking advantage. The Indian can buy property in the UK, but the Brit cannot do so in India and many, many countries. It's not a fair deal and I am critical of that.




I do not argue for the elite not to pay taxes at all. In fact I repeat it over and over and over and you just don't listen. I believe in redistributive taxation systems, but at the same time I would like to see a welfare overhaul and a complete rethinking of the NHS. No privatisation at all, but a charge for self induced situations like getting a stomach pumped and anyone coming in from overseas has to pay at the point of use for say 3 years and no benefits for 3 years including housing benefit etc. It needs to be more disciplined. Thus the rich should pay and that should be used to train local nurses, local plumbers, local people doing local things instead of stealing labor from poor countries.

[Beanz]

Ha!

You literally repost stuff from Murdoch all the time. You are a mainstream media kind of guy, so no need to apologise from your comfy sofa if that is what rocks your tiny little boat, with no room for neither owl or pussycat. You have just backed the closing of Parliament and like the Lib Dem Harridan Swanson you seem to think that what you want is more important than what tax paying British people who actually voted in the referendum want. I have worked in supermarkets on building sites in factories, and purely because i worked hard to be able to do something more with my life, you throw this hissy fit when you realise that going out for a covofe and posting on Saddo is the apex of your creative contribution to the world. People do not have to be one thing or the other, life does not end at 28, no wonder you are so scared of basslines and things like solidarity and community.

I bet you wear reading glasses just like Mugabe and would vote for the Tories in an instant if you had not swanned off to SK and took advantage of the homogenized and often racist far east. You are an economic migrant yourself, not a research scientist or a surgeon mate. It is funny how you can't even see how you have went backwards and degenerated into someone as nearly as gullible as El Kabong, in believing and repeating all the mainstream media nonsense about Corbyn. It is liek you have thrown your hands up and said 'fuck pragmatism and complexity I just want an easy life so I will go along with the Telegraph and what Boris and Nige tell me and The Sun because I don't want to make any effort anymore'

Sad really.
The country is divided. Sorting out Brexit will not end that divide and Corbyn acknowledges that. Life is about compromise not bloody minded nincompoopery. Get a deal, build on what we have and fucking put Boris and Blair and El Kabong etc in the tower of London.

Sorted.

[Gandalf]

My creative life is far from here at Saddo's. Posting on a forum is not creativity either. Not an argument.

If you want compromise then ask the loving EU for compromise. You won't get any until they know you are not playing. Again, look at Greece. There was little compromise. They do not compromise, they look down on you. They admit the intent is to squeeze.

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

My views are what they are and are actually shaped by my own global experiences more than anything else. I observe how other nation states function and they do not operate like the UK has this past 40 years.

I argue for a free Britain so that the alternative movement can grow and hold Parliament to account. Currently Parliament is the problem as all too many are denying their constituents. That is why Labour fears an election. They know it is a changing of the guard.

[Beanz]

My creative life is far from here at Saddo's. Posting on a forum is not creativity either. Not an argument.

If you want compromise then ask the loving EU for compromise. You won't get any until they know you are not playing. Again, look at Greece. There was little compromise. They do not compromise, they look down on you. They admit the intent is to squeeze.

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

My views are what they are and are actually shaped by my own global experiences more than anything else. I observe how other nation states function and they do not operate like the UK has this past 40 years.

I argue for a free Britain so that the alternative movement can grow and hold Parliament to account. Currently Parliament is the problem as all too many are denying their constituents. That is why Labour fears an election. They know it is a changing of the guard.

Your abandonment of Labour under Corbyn is VERY VERY telling. First chance in decades for actual real change and you want to maintain neoliberalism at any cost. More of the same. ALL we hear from you is BLAME THE POOR, MORE AUSTERITY, MAKE WELFARE HARSHER, BLAME THE IMMIGRANTS, BLAME SINGLE MOTHERS, BLAME BLACK PEOPLE, BLAME CORBYN, BLAME ANYONE BUT BANKS, BORIS, MURDOCH, BARCLAYS, FARRAGE, THE ELITE, THE ESTABLISHMENT, ETON, TORIES, UKIP, TOMMY, REBEL MEDIA, TRUMP, AMERICA.

Off to the tower for you too and then the Hague methinks.


Seriously are you not bored with this? I know what you think, you know what I think. Where is everyone?

[Master]

You had the chance of an election and rejected it. That was compromise too. Labour was not interested despite pleading 35 times in 2 years for an election.

That is blatantly untrue. You know Boris only called for an election after he had lost his control of parliament, and to force a no deal Brexit through. It was not to accept the demand of Labour for an election. You are being liberal with the truth.

[El Kabong]

I'm not sure what you smell Lyle. You've got no idea what you're on about though. As usual you're just parroting whatever is on Fox News and conservative media. What I'm discussing here is an economic and trade deal involving hundreds of billions of dollars between a bunch of democratic nations.

Britain voted to leave the EU, the EU should accept the exit of Britain and not seek revenge or hold Britain hostage economically....but the EU is not shy about their aspirations (they want an "Empire") and they've already expressed concerns over the UK becoming an economic rival, Angela herself floated that idea and so yeah YOU might be worried about a metric shit ton of money, but you shouldn't worry only about that as the political system and trust held therein could be irreparably damaged by not delivering Brexit. One way or another it has to happen. America will of course be eager to deal with the UK as I am sure others will....and again if we're to only go by economics and what is "good" for a nation, when will Zimbabwe be welcomed back into the British Empire?

It really comes to something when i am told worrying about my Mrs dying on me is just being selfish and yet here you are still ripping the piss out of the entire situation like a kid smashing down something a group has built together out of some kind of jealous spitefulness.

Mrs are you married yet or not? I apologize, I'm confused about this. Future Father In-Law but your Mrs....not fiancee, not girlfriend, not life partner, not soul mate....Mrs. Just trying to make sure I understand correctly.

Who made fun/light of you worrying about your Mrs? It's not selfish in the least, but that is your individual circumstance and other folks have just as dire of situations in the opposite direction AND the people voted leave so does your set of individual circumstances out weigh everybody else's? Do your circumstances out weigh the faith and trust your fellow citizens have in your system of government? THAT could be seen as selfish, but in all honesty I feel very bad for you given your situation, there but for the grace of God go I. My views are my views based on my system of beliefs and one of those beliefs is that elections have consequences, votes like this matter, the people who voted Leave will be expecting Britain to make good on that referendum...do we know or understand what comes if that doesn't happen?

You've seemingly taken my own political beliefs very personally. I do not think how I think to make you happy or to piss you off, you don't even enter the thought process for me. I don't say that to be anything other than real, I wouldn't expect you to think of me when you made any decisions of a political nature.

Get a deal, build on what we have and fucking put Boris and Blair and El Kabong etc in the tower of London.

If you're down for a Brexit deal happening then why all the hostility? If A deal happens, then wonderful, if not, Brexit still must be delivered. There are people (hopefully very few) who want a second referendum, I think that's a bad idea but I'm sure they'll do whatever they please regardless of my feelings. There are people working hard to make Brexit most painful for Britain to either shock Britain into rethinking Brexit or just to spitefully punish Britain for leaving....I don't see those as positive things.

Put me in the tower of London? Well well well, looks like I rate rather highly with you.....imprison and torture an American who dares think differently than you? Impressive grudge you hold there