Should England ban private schools

[Kirkland Laing]

A couple things...

Illegals aren't helping unions either comrade

TAXATION is the issue with illegals. Less owners, less property taxes, more people, more people who don't even speak English, more gangs, those things mean worse schools.

Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.

[El Kabong]

Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.

American immigration prior to 1965's Hart-Celler Act was basically nil. Prior to that the United States had a quota system that limited legal entrance and allowed for full assimilation and things went along swimmingly.

As for your "Illegal immigration not having any anti-Union impact" claim one Cesar Chavez would disagree...he and his United Farm Worker brethren would go to the border and beat the shit out of illegal immigrants to keep them from coming in a depreciating the wages of farm hands.

I'm not a fan of Unions, Unions have deep ties to Communist/Socialist organizations and so naturally I don't trust them.


Yeah sure Illegals pay payroll taxes .."a lot of them pay property taxes" oh do they now? "A lot" so then not all of them. We've got way too much immigration as it is. What we desperately need is cohesion, assimilation, and education all of which are undermined by massive immigration legal or otherwise.


Regardless of what Trump does the 1% will be fine, the 1% will be fine even if there's a Communist in charge (well SOME of the 1% will be fine, if their politics are deemed acceptable). There's this thing called the Pareto Principle, perhaps you should take a gander at it. There's another thing called Supply and Demand....if the Supply of something is far greater than the demand, let's say something like oh I don't know unskilled labor, then the value of that thing....the unskilled labor in this case.....is not worth very much and that's minimum wage or no minimum wage.


Workers should be paid a fair wage, this whole "there are jobs Americans won't do" is fucking horseshit! Americans I know are proud people and there's pride to be had in an honest day's work for honest wages.....hard to find honest wages when someone will do the work, get paid under the table and the AMERICAN citizen gets cut out of the deal. And yeah too many from BOTH parties look the other way on that in my opinion.

[Kirkland Laing]

Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.

American immigration prior to 1965's Hart-Celler Act was basically nil. Prior to that the United States had a quota system that limited legal entrance and allowed for full assimilation and things went along swimmingly.

As for your "Illegal immigration not having any anti-Union impact" claim one Cesar Chavez would disagree...he and his United Farm Worker brethren would go to the border and beat the shit out of illegal immigrants to keep them from coming in a depreciating the wages of farm hands.

I'm not a fan of Unions, Unions have deep ties to Communist/Socialist organizations and so naturally I don't trust them.


Yeah sure Illegals pay payroll taxes .."a lot of them pay property taxes" oh do they now? "A lot" so then not all of them. We've got way too much immigration as it is. What we desperately need is cohesion, assimilation, and education all of which are undermined by massive immigration legal or otherwise.


Regardless of what Trump does the 1% will be fine, the 1% will be fine even if there's a Communist in charge (well SOME of the 1% will be fine, if their politics are deemed acceptable). There's this thing called the Pareto Principle, perhaps you should take a gander at it. There's another thing called Supply and Demand....if the Supply of something is far greater than the demand, let's say something like oh I don't know unskilled labor, then the value of that thing....the unskilled labor in this case.....is not worth very much and that's minimum wage or no minimum wage.


Workers should be paid a fair wage, this whole "there are jobs Americans won't do" is fucking horseshit! Americans I know are proud people and there's pride to be had in an honest day's work for honest wages.....hard to find honest wages when someone will do the work, get paid under the table and the AMERICAN citizen gets cut out of the deal. And yeah too many from BOTH parties look the other way on that in my opinion.

Legal immigration up to 1965 was basically nil. Mass immigration over the southern border has been going on for over two centuries. Whether illegal immigrants or native born Americans were used as strike breakers back when the big agriculture firms were trying to stop Caesar Chavez getting decent pay and working conditions for agricultural workers doesn't make any difference.

The rest of your post is just rambling nonsense. Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you're on about. Some facts for your little shelf Lyle. It's not like there are a finite number of jobs and somebody coming over the border taking a job means one job less for a native born American. One extra body in the country means increased demand for accomodation, food, clothes, entertainment and all the other things people buy. Every working person adds more to economic growth than they subtract.

There are five million jobs destroyed every month in America. Five million people lose their job every month. There are 100 000 new entrants to the job market evey month, that's the balance bewtween people leaving school/college and retiring. The only way to create enough economic growth to produce five point one plus million jobs a month is to constantly increase the demand in the economy and the most effective way to do this in our modern economy is to let extra bodies in. Nothing anybody in Washington tries to do is ever going to alter that either. Mass immigration is a fact of life now.

[El Kabong]

Legal immigration up to 1965 was basically nil. Mass immigration over the southern border has been going on for over two centuries. Whether illegal immigrants or native born Americans were used as strike breakers back when the big agriculture firms were trying to stop Caesar Chavez getting decent pay and working conditions for agricultural workers doesn't make any difference.

The rest of your post is just rambling nonsense. Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you're on about. Some facts for your little shelf Lyle. It's not like there are a finite number of jobs and somebody coming over the border taking a job means one job less for a native born American. One extra body in the country means increased demand for accomodation, food, clothes, entertainment and all the other things people buy. Every working person adds more to economic growth than they subtract.

There are five million jobs destroyed every month in America. Five million people lose their job every month. There are 100 000 new entrants to the job market evey month, that's the balance bewtween people leaving school/college and retiring. The only way to create enough economic growth to produce five point one plus million jobs a month is to constantly increase the demand in the economy and the most effective way to do this in our modern economy is to let extra bodies in. Nothing anybody in Washington tries to do is ever going to alter that either. Mass immigration is a fact of life now.

Native born Americans pay taxes, they have skin in the game, they care about America...Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes (unless they're also practicing identity fraud with bogus SSN's).

Finite or infinite the rules of supply and demand still apply as does the Pareto principle.

An illegal taking a job, might not mean 1 less job for an American but it DOES mean lower pay for those workers. Illegals aren't due a minimum wage, most often they are paid cash which is then wired right back to Mexico....some boon to OUR American economy that is

Mass immigration is globalist bullshit

[Beanz]

Legal immigration up to 1965 was basically nil. Mass immigration over the southern border has been going on for over two centuries. Whether illegal immigrants or native born Americans were used as strike breakers back when the big agriculture firms were trying to stop Caesar Chavez getting decent pay and working conditions for agricultural workers doesn't make any difference.

The rest of your post is just rambling nonsense. Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you're on about. Some facts for your little shelf Lyle. It's not like there are a finite number of jobs and somebody coming over the border taking a job means one job less for a native born American. One extra body in the country means increased demand for accomodation, food, clothes, entertainment and all the other things people buy. Every working person adds more to economic growth than they subtract.

There are five million jobs destroyed every month in America. Five million people lose their job every month. There are 100 000 new entrants to the job market evey month, that's the balance bewtween people leaving school/college and retiring. The only way to create enough economic growth to produce five point one plus million jobs a month is to constantly increase the demand in the economy and the most effective way to do this in our modern economy is to let extra bodies in. Nothing anybody in Washington tries to do is ever going to alter that either. Mass immigration is a fact of life now.

Native born Americans pay taxes, they have skin in the game, they care about America...Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes (unless they're also practicing identity fraud with bogus SSN's).

Finite or infinite the rules of supply and demand still apply as does the Pareto principle.

An illegal taking a job, might not mean 1 less job for an American but it DOES mean lower pay for those workers. Illegals aren't due a minimum wage, most often they are paid cash which is then wired right back to Mexico....some boon to OUR American economy that is

Mass immigration is globalist bullshit

Trump is a Globalist you prune. He has always been a Globalist. Personal gain for him comes way before serving his country and he has you defending him for doing so He has always raised money from investors all over the world, used illegal immigrants as workers, and like all good Globalists avoided paying taxes within his own country when possible. He thinks nothing of ignoring American borders, or the best interests of America and calling on foreign interests to come to his aid.He is part of a Global group of corrupt anti-patriotic populists who are each keeping each other where they are. Look at him helping out corrupt fuckers like Netty In Israel and boasting of wanting to build Trump hotels in North Korea. How easy it is to fool people in plain sight.

[El Kabong]

Trump is a Globalist you prune. He has always been a Globalist. Personal gain for him comes way before serving his country and he has you defending him for doing so He has always raised money from investors all over the world, used illegal immigrants as workers, and like all good Globalists avoided paying taxes within his own country when possible. He thinks nothing of ignoring American borders, or the best interests of America and calling on foreign interests to come to his aid.He is part of a Global group of corrupt anti-patriotic populists who are each keeping each other where they are. Look at him helping out corrupt fuckers like Netty In Israel and boasting of wanting to build Trump hotels in North Korea. How easy it is to fool people in plain sight.

You sure do call me a lot of names... unprovoked now as well.

If you don't avoid paying taxes you're not a smart person. Avoiding taxes is LEGAL it's EVASION that's trouble.

How exactly am I "anti-patriotic"?

Also notice... I've called you 0 names in response.

[Beanz]

Trump is a Globalist you prune. He has always been a Globalist. Personal gain for him comes way before serving his country and he has you defending him for doing so He has always raised money from investors all over the world, used illegal immigrants as workers, and like all good Globalists avoided paying taxes within his own country when possible. He thinks nothing of ignoring American borders, or the best interests of America and calling on foreign interests to come to his aid.He is part of a Global group of corrupt anti-patriotic populists who are each keeping each other where they are. Look at him helping out corrupt fuckers like Netty In Israel and boasting of wanting to build Trump hotels in North Korea. How easy it is to fool people in plain sight.

You sure do call me a lot of names... unprovoked now as well.

If you don't avoid paying taxes you're not a smart person. Avoiding taxes is LEGAL it's EVASION that's trouble.

How exactly am I "anti-patriotic"?

Also notice... I've called you 0 names in response.

Fuck me you a bed wetting baby.

Prune

That is now calling you names? (:

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Trump
Trump is an anti-patriotic populist. Not you, although you support him just like Gandalf suuports the same anti-British populists here.

They are all Globalists. Look at you here in this thread trying to ensure that Britain becomes a model of America.

God it has become like Sesame Street here with you and Gandalf.

[Kirkland Laing]

Legal immigration up to 1965 was basically nil. Mass immigration over the southern border has been going on for over two centuries. Whether illegal immigrants or native born Americans were used as strike breakers back when the big agriculture firms were trying to stop Caesar Chavez getting decent pay and working conditions for agricultural workers doesn't make any difference.

The rest of your post is just rambling nonsense. Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you're on about. Some facts for your little shelf Lyle. It's not like there are a finite number of jobs and somebody coming over the border taking a job means one job less for a native born American. One extra body in the country means increased demand for accomodation, food, clothes, entertainment and all the other things people buy. Every working person adds more to economic growth than they subtract.

There are five million jobs destroyed every month in America. Five million people lose their job every month. There are 100 000 new entrants to the job market evey month, that's the balance bewtween people leaving school/college and retiring. The only way to create enough economic growth to produce five point one plus million jobs a month is to constantly increase the demand in the economy and the most effective way to do this in our modern economy is to let extra bodies in. Nothing anybody in Washington tries to do is ever going to alter that either. Mass immigration is a fact of life now.

Native born Americans pay taxes, they have skin in the game, they care about America...Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes (unless they're also practicing identity fraud with bogus SSN's).

Finite or infinite the rules of supply and demand still apply as does the Pareto principle.

An illegal taking a job, might not mean 1 less job for an American but it DOES mean lower pay for those workers. Illegals aren't due a minimum wage, most often they are paid cash which is then wired right back to Mexico....some boon to OUR American economy that is

Mass immigration is globalist bullshit

Two days again. Jobs are not finite. Increased numbers mean increased demand which means increased income for everybody. It's just how that income is distributed. Right now all the money goes to the top. That's why wages are stagnant, not because of immigration.

[TitoFan]

Hadn't posted here yet, as the topic is none of my concern, but simply taken at face value...... why and for what reason should private schools be "banned"?? Shouldn't types of schooling be strictly a choice?

[Master]

Hadn't posted here yet, as the topic is none of my concern, but simply taken at face value...... why and for what reason should private schools be "banned"?? Shouldn't types of schooling be strictly a choice?

That is the crux of the debate parental choice to send their children to schools of their choice versus all schools should have the same high standards and thus allow equal social mobility for the most deprived of children.

[Gandalf]

A couple things...

Illegals aren't helping unions either comrade

TAXATION is the issue with illegals. Less owners, less property taxes, more people, more people who don't even speak English, more gangs, those things mean worse schools.

Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.

That is a ridiculous statement.

You appear to be disconnected from the real world, Kirkland. There are many illegal immigrants out here and they stay under the radar by working for cash and it does indeed bring wages down. In fact even a lot of legal immigrants do just that to stay under the radar as they should not be doing extra jobs as it violates their visa. As do locals too as they are naughty. I can order chicken and pay a couple of quid less if I just pay cash.....why is that? If somebody illegal and unqualified is willing to work for half, you don't think some corrupt business owner will sometimes be tempted to take that bait?

[Gandalf]

Mass migration might well be a 'fact of life', but it is something people dislike and they know it hurts them. I also disagree with the notion that it is needed. There are jobs local people can and should be doing and I think national cohesiveness is more important than money. Also, at the end of the day MANY jobs are going to be vanishing in the next decade or so and few are going to be safe. Out here the government is begging banks to hire, but the reality is the banks don't need people and it will be the same in many industries, especially in factory work and work not involving genuine human interaction.

Work is being digitalized and thus people aren't needed. Just a few years ago everyone was filling up the car for you, now few do. All those people gone, somewhere else, but for how long? Those are not high skilled workers. They fill a car and process a card. They gave you the service economy, but the service then gets given to robots or you do it yourself. Immigration at the rate it is will be a problem rather than any kind of advantage. And lest we forget much of the immigration comes from beyond the EU and that actually costs the taxpayer a lot of money which is then money not provided to the local people who actually do deserve the investment as the jobs that are created will be technical ones. More welfare is good for nobody.

I think for instance what we see in the Brexit debate too is that the economic arguments all seem to come from the left who do not seem to understand that it is hard for ordinary people to compete against people who can come in and live 5 to a room and earn several times the minimum wage in their own countries. It would be like me going somewhere and just being able to earn 100 grand a year. It might be pennies to you Kirk, but to an ordinary person, it's significant. But then many of those jobs will go and many will naturalize, have children and let's not forget that with every industrial revolution comes the massive unemployment and when you have that plus a fractured society you have invited in something very unhealthy.