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Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.
American immigration prior to 1965's Hart-Celler Act was basically nil. Prior to that the United States had a quota system that limited legal entrance and allowed for full assimilation and things went along swimmingly.

As for your "Illegal immigration not having any anti-Union impact" claim one Cesar Chavez would disagree...he and his United Farm Worker brethren would go to the border and beat the shit out of illegal immigrants to keep them from coming in a depreciating the wages of farm hands.

I'm not a fan of Unions, Unions have deep ties to Communist/Socialist organizations and so naturally I don't trust them.


Yeah sure Illegals pay payroll taxes .."a lot of them pay property taxes" oh do they now? "A lot" so then not all of them. We've got way too much immigration as it is. What we desperately need is cohesion, assimilation, and education all of which are undermined by massive immigration legal or otherwise.


Regardless of what Trump does the 1% will be fine, the 1% will be fine even if there's a Communist in charge (well SOME of the 1% will be fine, if their politics are deemed acceptable). There's this thing called the Pareto Principle, perhaps you should take a gander at it. There's another thing called Supply and Demand....if the Supply of something is far greater than the demand, let's say something like oh I don't know unskilled labor, then the value of that thing....the unskilled labor in this case.....is not worth very much and that's minimum wage or no minimum wage.


Workers should be paid a fair wage, this whole "there are jobs Americans won't do" is fucking horseshit! Americans I know are proud people and there's pride to be had in an honest day's work for honest wages.....hard to find honest wages when someone will do the work, get paid under the table and the AMERICAN citizen gets cut out of the deal. And yeah too many from BOTH parties look the other way on that in my opinion.
Legal immigration up to 1965 was basically nil. Mass immigration over the southern border has been going on for over two centuries. Whether illegal immigrants or native born Americans were used as strike breakers back when the big agriculture firms were trying to stop Caesar Chavez getting decent pay and working conditions for agricultural workers doesn't make any difference.

The rest of your post is just rambling nonsense. Unsurprisingly you have no idea what you're on about. Some facts for your little shelf Lyle. It's not like there are a finite number of jobs and somebody coming over the border taking a job means one job less for a native born American. One extra body in the country means increased demand for accomodation, food, clothes, entertainment and all the other things people buy. Every working person adds more to economic growth than they subtract.

There are five million jobs destroyed every month in America. Five million people lose their job every month. There are 100 000 new entrants to the job market evey month, that's the balance bewtween people leaving school/college and retiring. The only way to create enough economic growth to produce five point one plus million jobs a month is to constantly increase the demand in the economy and the most effective way to do this in our modern economy is to let extra bodies in. Nothing anybody in Washington tries to do is ever going to alter that either. Mass immigration is a fact of life now.