Should England ban private schools

[Gandalf]

A couple things...

Illegals aren't helping unions either comrade

TAXATION is the issue with illegals. Less owners, less property taxes, more people, more people who don't even speak English, more gangs, those things mean worse schools.

Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/


Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.

That is a ridiculous statement.

You appear to be disconnected from the real world, Kirkland. There are many illegal immigrants out here and they stay under the radar by working for cash and it does indeed bring wages down. In fact even a lot of legal immigrants do just that to stay under the radar as they should not be doing extra jobs as it violates their visa. As do locals too as they are naughty. I can order chicken and pay a couple of quid less if I just pay cash.....why is that? If somebody illegal and unqualified is willing to work for half, you don't think some corrupt business owner will sometimes be tempted to take that bait?

[Gandalf]

Mass migration might well be a 'fact of life', but it is something people dislike and they know it hurts them. I also disagree with the notion that it is needed. There are jobs local people can and should be doing and I think national cohesiveness is more important than money. Also, at the end of the day MANY jobs are going to be vanishing in the next decade or so and few are going to be safe. Out here the government is begging banks to hire, but the reality is the banks don't need people and it will be the same in many industries, especially in factory work and work not involving genuine human interaction.

Work is being digitalized and thus people aren't needed. Just a few years ago everyone was filling up the car for you, now few do. All those people gone, somewhere else, but for how long? Those are not high skilled workers. They fill a car and process a card. They gave you the service economy, but the service then gets given to robots or you do it yourself. Immigration at the rate it is will be a problem rather than any kind of advantage. And lest we forget much of the immigration comes from beyond the EU and that actually costs the taxpayer a lot of money which is then money not provided to the local people who actually do deserve the investment as the jobs that are created will be technical ones. More welfare is good for nobody.

I think for instance what we see in the Brexit debate too is that the economic arguments all seem to come from the left who do not seem to understand that it is hard for ordinary people to compete against people who can come in and live 5 to a room and earn several times the minimum wage in their own countries. It would be like me going somewhere and just being able to earn 100 grand a year. It might be pennies to you Kirk, but to an ordinary person, it's significant. But then many of those jobs will go and many will naturalize, have children and let's not forget that with every industrial revolution comes the massive unemployment and when you have that plus a fractured society you have invited in something very unhealthy.