Not GGG bashing but...

[TitoFan]

Most of us don't have the time nor the inclination to dredge up old posts like that.

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GGG is a warrior but should have fought BJS and he should or could have move moved up in weight..BUT..he stayed where the money was (Canelo) rather than risk it as a multiple weight champion..there was also a potential fight with Andre Ward by meeting at 160..if he beat Ward he would have been P4P.

I had both fights with Canelo close and GGG could not seem to copy or better what an old, smaller Floyd Mayweather did to Canelo.

[TitoFan]

Canelo is most certainly NOT massive underrated (that is beyond comical, TBH)..... and is most decidedly OVERrated.
I'll proceed to list the reasons why.

1. The ONE time Canelo got put in with the consensus #1 p4p, in the form of Floyd Mayweather, he was shutout in embarrassing fashion. It wasn't even close. Those who had demanded that the fight happen had to watch helplessly as Floyd proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the two didn't belong in the same ring. To Canelo's credit, he's got so much pull with the Vegas mafia, that one PROFESSIONAL boxing judge inexplicably called the fight a draw. The fact that this judge still judges fights is a testament to the corruption in boxing, and to the favoritism of the WBC toward marquee Mexican champions such as Canelo.

2. When Amir Khan stupidly got in the ring with Canelo, two weight divisions higher, he was ALSO shutting out Canelo. But Canelo just bided his time, much like Teofilo Stevenson used to do in the heavyweights with his big right hand cocked and loaded. Inevitably all Canelo had to do was connect once..... and that's exactly what happened. Circus show of a fight.

3. Canelo fought his first 30 fights against a collection of nobodies, has-beens, never-will-bes, over-the-hill fighters, and woefully undersized opposition. Size was always in Canelo's favor. He was groomed for stardom (not greatness..... there's a difference) since Day One. Why? Because he was a handsome, ginger-haired Mexican who would make the girls swoon and could develop legions of fans. By the time he was finished bloating his record, he already had the silver spoon in his mouth.

4. Canelo has been the benefactor of plenty of dodgy decisions. Please nobody try and make it all about Golovkin. Canelo has had the judges in his pocket waaaaay before that. One of the only fights I'll give him credit for was Austin Trout. Erislandy Lara got robbed as well. In Vegas.... if you fight Ginger..... you'd better knock him out and STILL cross your fingers and hope you win the fight.

5. The term "cherry picker" in the dictionary has Canelo's picture next to it. Look no further than Rocky Fielding, the butt of jokes even in this very forum. It was like watching a National Geographic documentary where the crocodile picks off the weak, lame buffalo calf as it scrunches down to get a drink of water at the river's edge. And like the crocodile, off goes Canelo... slinking back into the middleweight river, lest the other buffaloes get a hold of him.

6. The GGG saga itself. Everyone forgets how Canelo chose to let the first fight with GGG (cough) "marinate", because Canelo still had to "grow" into 160 pounds. Instead, they were inviting GGG to go down to 154. Then..... out of the blue..... the crocodile spots the much heavier Julio Cesar Chavez Jr...... ripe for the picking like the mummy he is..... and goes up to 170. That's one hundred and seventy FUCKING pounds...... to pick JCC Jr. off. But supposedly he couldn't meet Golovkin at 160. It's all on Canelo's time. Anyone who doesn't realize that by now hasn't been around the last few years.

7. Speaking of weights..... the catchweight bullshit. Sure... others have done it. But Canelo has made it his own sweet science. Frankly, it's become a joke. People in the know talk about Canelo fighting for the 165.75 pound championship and shit like that, because that's how much of a joke Canelo has turned weight divisions into. No matter. Canelo follows the JCC Jr. playbook to a tee..... and always manages to show up to fights 20 or more pounds heavier than the other guy.

8. He's a drug cheat. On top of ALL THE OTHER FUCKING ADVANTAGES the Ginger has ever had bestowed upon him by everyone in boxing, where his throne had been dusted off while he was fighting cab drivers in Mexico, the guy STILL manages to sully his reputation by being a drug cheat. Then..... as if by Hollywood script..... he gets a tap on the wrist to the amount of a 6-month suspension, which was the time he was taking off between fights ANYWAY.



"Canelo is massively underrated."


Ha! You'll never find a better opening line for a standup routine than that one.

[Beanz]

Canelo IS massively underrated. You are not alone in refusing to acknowledge his quite extraordinary career. He hasn't even finished yet.

You don't have to like him or make excuses for the drugs, his weight shenanigans or pretend Oscar is not a knob. Just admit you and many have underrated him. What if he stops Kov?



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[TitoFan]

Canelo IS massively underrated. You are not alone in refusing to acknowledge his quite extraordinary career. He hasn't even finished yet.

You don't have to like him or make excuses for the drugs, his weight shenanigans or pretend Oscar is not a knob. Just admit you and many have underrated him. What if he stops Kov?



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"Great" retort. Small wonder you got kudos from Fats. However, I just gave you 8 reasons why Canelo, if anything, is OVERrated. I could've easily made it 10.

You respond with... "he's underrated because I said so."

Keep up the good work.

[Fatboxingfan]

Canelo IS massively underrated. You are not alone in refusing to acknowledge his quite extraordinary career. He hasn't even finished yet.

You don't have to like him or make excuses for the drugs, his weight shenanigans or pretend Oscar is not a knob. Just admit you and many have underrated him. What if he stops Kov?



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"Great" retort. Small wonder you got kudos from Fats. However, I just gave you 8 reasons why Canelo, if anything, is OVERrated. I could've easily made it 10.

You respond with... "he's underrated because I said so."

Keep up the good work.

TBH that second retort was not great like the first one, which was definitely great.

And sir, Mr. Tito Fan, your points in response to that first great retort of Mr. Beanz was pretty pretty accurate. I thought it was nice the way you tried to imply that the ladies swooning over the Ginger-Haired One may have had something to do with the clenbuterol of the tainted beef in Guadalajara.

I mean hell it's not like that stuff would not add to his testosterone levels.

[Gandalf]

Canelo IS massively underrated. You are not alone in refusing to acknowledge his quite extraordinary career. He hasn't even finished yet.

You don't have to like him or make excuses for the drugs, his weight shenanigans or pretend Oscar is not a knob. Just admit you and many have underrated him. What if he stops Kov?



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"Great" retort. Small wonder you got kudos from Fats. However, I just gave you 8 reasons why Canelo, if anything, is OVERrated. I could've easily made it 10.

You respond with... "he's underrated because I said so."

Keep up the good work.

Your arguments were solid and on point. However, I take issue with you earlier calling Canelo handsome. If Calzaghe is a 9 then Canelo is at best a 5. He is like a weird fusion of Wayne Rooney and Prince Harry. That is not good. One of those men who needs a beard to cover the face up. A good looking man doesn't need bearding.

[powerpuncher]

Canelo is definitely overrated by the masses. He may be underrated but some more hardcore fans. @TitoFan just hates Mexican fighters 😁

Canelo is a really good fighter, but he is massively overrated because he isn’t a top five fighter but is generally a consensus top 3. He is in the bottom half of the top 10.

[Gandalf]

For me Canelo is a SOLID fighter. He doesn't do anything exceptional. He doesn't stop opponents with power, he never dominates a top fighter, he goes 12 with the Matthew Hatton's of the world and loses badly to the Mayweather types, and takes way too much time off in rounds, but he does have skills and is very durable. I just think people are being honest when they criticize him. For me he is like a speeded up Baldomir with better movement. I think it is one reason Mayweather took him on. He knew he could pick him off. Hopefully he doesn't end up like Baldomir as he is a weirdo.

[TitoFan]

Canelo is definitely overrated by the masses. He may be underrated but some more hardcore fans. @TitoFan just hates Mexican fighters 😁

Canelo is a really good fighter, but he is massively overrated because he isn’t a top five fighter but is generally a consensus top 3. He is in the bottom half of the top 10.

Bro... I like your short post the best. I'm going to post something now that may cause a small tremor in some places..... so I'd suggest you hold onto something firmly just in case.


Canelo definitely IS a "really good fighter", as you put it. (There. Any shaking? Some here may still be digging out from under the rubble. )



Ok.... now.... having said that, let me correct one more thing. Pleeeeeeease don't egg on those who actually think I hate all Mexican fighters

It's not true. I was a MASSIVE fan (I can't stop using that word now) of MAB, JMM, and Finito Lopez. All classy gentlemen who rose to the top of their sport without the Silver Spoon treatment, or being fed a procession of dead bodies to fatten their artificial records.


Now..... having said that.

I still cannot believe someone here, on a serious boxing forum, would have the unmitigated gall of saying that Canelo is underrated. Not just underrated, but MASSIVELY underrated.

My god..... I'm still reeling from that one. I'm serious..... it's the best comedic line in the history of the world. I'd definitely take Beanz on tour as long as he opened with that line. We'd make a fortune.



The new Face of Boxing is anything BUT underrated. I gave 8 solid reasons why if anything, he's overrated..... and stopped at 8 because I didn't want to be accused of hating all Mexican fighters.

After that, I haven't read one single word that will ever convince me to think otherwise. Those who feel he's underrated are definitely nuthugging to the Nth degree.

[Beanz]

Canelo IS massively underrated. You are not alone in refusing to acknowledge his quite extraordinary career. He hasn't even finished yet.

You don't have to like him or make excuses for the drugs, his weight shenanigans or pretend Oscar is not a knob. Just admit you and many have underrated him. What if he stops Kov?



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"Great" retort. Small wonder you got kudos from Fats. However, I just gave you 8 reasons why Canelo, if anything, is OVERrated. I could've easily made it 10.

You respond with... "he's underrated because I said so."

Keep up the good work.

Make your mind up one minute you don't have the time or inclination to take 30 seconds to use the forums search function, and then you are drafting a bullet pointed and numbered 8 point reply

1. At the age of 23 Canelo faces the most dominant champ of the previous 10 years. The Man. He did what Cotto did only 10 years younger. He joined the likes of Pacquiao, Marquez, Mosely, De la Hoya etc in ending the fight on his feet having learned a lot and not been stopped.

2. Khan has always been MASSIVELY underrated. At times on a good night the guy is like the flash. Canelo did what he had to do sparking him in dramatic fashion. Circus show of a fight is a great compliment. Circus people are often good people and boxing would never be where it is today without them.

3. After debuting at 15 Canelo fought and beat Miguel Vazquez in his third fight. Vazquez was 19 and Canelo 16. Within 4 years Vazquez had won the IBF lightweight title, a belt he held for four years defending that belt 8 times. That hardly makes him a 'nobody, has-been, never-will-be, or over-the-hill ' opponent.

4. All Canelo can do is win the fight he is in. Dodgy decisions are there all the way through boxing from amateur to pro.

5. He fought Feilding after fighting Golovkin twice, he then fought Jacobs. It seem you yourself are happy to cherry pick to confirm your own delusions.

6. The one thing people like youself failed to get from the Golovkin saga was the irrefutable evidence it provided that Canelo had been underrated all along. The first fight was a modern classic and Alvarez proved he belonged at the very top table, even though he should have lost. He has constantly improved and added classy and sophisticated adjustments to his game you have to be a hater to miss.

7. The whole weight thing is bollocks and I am not going to defend him for that.

8. Similarly with the drugs bullshit. No excuses here for that.