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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
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    Stop having a hissy fit about this.

    Joe Louis had 25 defences in all those 25 defences I asked name me a top 10 heavyweight that people would regard is worthy.

    I have named 3.That is an amazing accomplishment, truly amazing and they were truly historic events.

    I said Joe Louis was an amazing champion and I didn't want to criticise him at all. He had 25 consecutive defences you know.
    Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Max Scmeling rematch
    Max Schmeling was a solid opponent but is nowhere near a top 10 HW. Walcott is a little outside 10. Maybe around 15 or so. Charles probably the same. Although Charles is known by many as the greatest LHW of all time. But Louis lost to him.

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    JJWalcott/Cincinnati Cobra was both TIED for #12 ATG.

    The Walcott Waltz was stole by Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Stop having a hissy fit about this.

    Joe Louis had 25 defences in all those 25 defences I asked name me a top 10 heavyweight that people would regard is worthy.

    I have named 3.That is an amazing accomplishment, truly amazing and they were truly historic events.

    I said Joe Louis was an amazing champion and I didn't want to criticise him at all. He had 25 consecutive defences you know.
    Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Max Scmeling rematch
    Max Schmeling was a solid opponent but is nowhere near a top 10 HW. Walcott is a little outside 10. Maybe around 15 or so. Charles probably the same. Although Charles is known by many as the greatest LHW of all time. But Louis lost to him.
    I don't think these numbers really mean much. Unless fighters dight each other we just don't know. Ruiz better than Joshua? If they had never fought we would probably say no. All just opinions and guesses really. One reason why prime Ali against prime Tyson is so fun. We can only imagine.

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Stop having a hissy fit about this.

    Joe Louis had 25 defences in all those 25 defences I asked name me a top 10 heavyweight that people would regard is worthy.

    I have named 3.That is an amazing accomplishment, truly amazing and they were truly historic events.

    I said Joe Louis was an amazing champion and I didn't want to criticise him at all. He had 25 consecutive defences you know.
    Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Max Scmeling rematch
    Max Schmeling was a solid opponent but is nowhere near a top 10 HW. Walcott is a little outside 10. Maybe around 15 or so. Charles probably the same. Although Charles is known by many as the greatest LHW of all time. But Louis lost to him.
    I don't think these numbers really mean much. Unless fighters dight each other we just don't know. Ruiz better than Joshua? If they had never fought we would probably say no. All just opinions and guesses really. One reason why prime Ali against prime Tyson is so fun. We can only imagine.
    True but they are educated guesses. You could also say that Max Schmeling is better than Ali and we would never know because there is no way of truly knowing, but nobody in their right mind would say that.

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Max Schmeling is better than Ali.

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Case closed.
    Powerpuncher said no one in their right mind, you do not count, case is not closed.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.

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