Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

[p4pking]

Max Schmeling is better than Ali.

[p4pking]

Case closed.

[Master]

Case closed.

Powerpuncher said no one in their right mind, you do not count, case is not closed.

[Dark Lord Al]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

[Fatboxingfan]

Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!

[Primo Carnera]

Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!

Ok. So I think we widely recognise the Ali of 67 as probably the best he’s been. So if you and Al think Lennox beats the best version of Ali. So is Lennox higher in the ATG Rankings than Ali?

[Fatboxingfan]

Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!

Ok. So I think we widely recognise the Ali of 67 as probably the best he’s been. So if you and Al think Lennox beats the best version of Ali. So is Lennox higher in the ATG Rankings than Ali?

Great question. Based off Lennox TWO getting sparked and Ali never got, Ali is rated higher than Lennox. Lennox could spark Ali might be 1 MAYBE 2 times out of 5, but Ali wins on points 2 out of 5 and Ali STOPS Lenn 1 of every 5 times (late stoppage like Homes stopped Cooney).

The other reason I wouldn't rate Lennox as high is based off competition. Old Mercer, old Holy, Old Tyson, Morisson, Golota.....
Don't stack up to prime Sunny Liston, prime Frasier, prime Foreman, prime Norton, Shivers, Lyle, prime Spinks.

[Beanz]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.

[Fatboxingfan]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.

Now that gets into the whole nother can of worms! (Say my name! Etc)

[Dark Lord Al]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.

You call Mike Tyson - Malik Abdul Aziz ? or Mike Tyson ?Christened Clay so he is Clay, won the title as Clay , being brainwashed by a death cult doesn't change that.
So Beanz comment on my boxing picks not a made up name.

[Beanz]

Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

Clay was a great fighter in his era.

There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.

You call Mike Tyson - Malik Abdul Aziz ? or Mike Tyson ?Christened Clay so he is Clay, won the title as Clay , being brainwashed by a death cult doesn't change that.
So Beanz comment on my boxing picks not a made up name.

HE had the right to change his name. That you have always insisted on refusing to use it and acknowledge that right speaks volumes.

Holyfield is made to look ordinary by Ali and Lewis and Tyson have a punchers chance but not much more than that.

Frazier, 'could' beat the 67 Ali, doesn't mean he would have. Its all conjecture and you might as well try and guess the colour on a roulette wheel.