Today in Trump

[Spicoli]

He's the commander in Chief Lyle. We haven't declared war ffs since what 1945? Rather than stand for something and stand with allies he threw up his hands reverting to weak rhetoric and Erdogan planted his middle finger on Trumps forehead and launched an offensive right off. He withdrew immediate boarder OPs and btw majority are still there ordered to stand down. We stepped aside and he's using the 'boys and girls coming home' as a cow bell to base who still lap it up. We never had large scale troop levels in the immediate combat zones and frankly what we were doing was working in advising and training roles as Kurd forces played the role of door kickers and keeping Isis prisoners on lockdown. Again, minimal force and minimal exposure. We stabbed them in the back for god know what reason and just pulled the pin on a contained and greatly diminished shit show. More sons and daughters will ultimately pay for an ill advised unilateral idiotic decision.

The 30 day stuff is nonsense as timelines on military operations be they deployment or withdrawal are a set up for problems. Trump repeated it on initial withdrawal..Obama put troops in and Trump initially sent more once in office. Why Syria well it could be Raqqah was caliphate capital according to ISIS and we have lost the convenience to run home and hide behind walls with our fingers in our ears and less we forget ISIS was claiming responsibility for deadly attacks on U.S soil just 2 years ago.

We do very much have major issues at home most of which the President has been tone deaf at addressing and finding serious solutions for, especially the health care. I would also love every single Military member in their homes with their families and veterans not having to wait months to have a medical concern addressed. I'd also like fake emergency declarations not to happen and 6K soldiers not deployed to U.S boarders to string razor wire and doing ride alongs with Boarder patrol agencies. Yes we armed the Kurds. And it's not their fight..it's our fight. We arm a lot of people and foreign armies and we also make 110 Billion dollar arm sales arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth...minus the approval of that pesky Congress..and we also deploy hundreds of troops there rather than telling them to 'fight their own battles'. Turkey got froggy..bridges burned, refugee crisis and adding to the Isis ranks on deck. Oh and Trump blames Kurds for not storming the beaches at Normandy. For the love of god .

Indeed he is Commander in Chief and he's acting like it. June 5, 1942 was the last time war was officially declared by Congress and it was against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania. That being said, YES exactly, aren't you dubious to these ambiguous uses of military force? What are we even doing? What's the goal? When can we officially say "Mission Accomplished" let's go home?

50 Special Forces soldiers are going to stop that? That's who we're talking about. 50 people with families, loved ones, friends, etc....we don't want to bring them home because the Kurds?

Trump sent more troops in so as to expedite the ending of the war. Obama let it fester.

The President has addressed a great deal of things, but he's not a dictator, he needs help from the other branches of government. The Congress can declare war if they so choose.....if they so choose.

It's a ruse bud. 1,500-2,000 now deployed to Saudi Arabia and that's after record arms deals. And he thinks they're mercs ffs. Trump had a success story going, soldiers were coming home as gains were cemented very late last year. Fact we held firm with presence and very minimal force speaks to our strength and effectiveness. What he's done here is not only a dishonorable catastrophe it's a reboot for Isis. So much for Obama 'creating Isis', now we get do-overs. 'We're 7k miles away'..seriously what kind of shortsighted Kindergarten thinking is that. President Trump owns this..no one else.

Wtf is going on with the UN. How much do we spend on them. Seems like they could benefit Syria. If this is so bad, as I said, let it go before Congress, they will just need to decide which groups to declare war on and I wish them luck with that

We didn't need a declaration of war to achieve with extreme minimal loss what we did. We just pooched it.

[Gandalf]

Say one positive thing about him Spicoli. I challenge you. I bet even Jack the Ripper had a nice accent.

I have before and just have...he had success going. Shoot I'd give a fiver for fervent supporters to simply defend-promote some domestic policies. You see nothing on that front. It's all Obama Drama and they, them, those dudes, back when annnnnd her e mails. He's actually a terrible salesman.

I think he is flawed for sure, but I think he is doing positive things too. Immigration is seemingly coming down, he hasn't full on decimated a region of the world yet, and he does seem to get the totalitarian menace of China. Stop them flooding in...they don't let you flood in! Admittedly it is a low bar when you are saying 'He hasn't killed hundreds of thousands', but it is true. I have a lot of criticisms too, but the total negativity is just unrealistic for me. His policy on immigration for instance is pretty much how things were just a few decades ago and you get hysteria about concentration camps that is untrue.

I think we have to compare with what went before too. And both sides have been pretty repulsive for a long time now. If Trump was serious he would roll back the police state mechanisms, but he doesn't.

[Kirkland Laing]

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are examining Rudy Giuliani’s business dealings in Ukraine, including his finances, meetings and work for a city mayor there, according to people familiar with the matter.
Investigators also have examined Giuliani’s bank records, according to the people.
Witnesses have been questioned about Giuliani since at least August by investigators, who also want to know more about Giuliani’s role in an alleged conspiracy involving two of his business associates, the people said. The investigation is being led by the U.S. attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York.
Giuliani has denied wrongdoing and on Monday said he hadn’t been informed of any investigation. “They can look at my Ukraine business all they want,” he said.
It couldn’t be determined how far along the investigation stands. The scope of the inquiry also isn’t known. Since April 2018, Giuliani has been President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, work for which he isn’t paid.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal...2100?mod=e2twp


President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.


The businessman, Lev Parnas, is a close associate of Giuliani and was involved in his effort to investigate Trump’s political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a leading contender for the 2020 Democratic Party nomination.
Giuliani said Parnas’ company, Boca Raton-based Fraud Guarantee, whose website says it aims to help clients “reduce and mitigate fraud”, engaged Giuliani Partners, a management and security consulting firm, around August 2018. Giuliani said he was hired to consult on Fraud Guarantee’s technologies and provide legal advice on regulatory issues.
Federal prosecutors are “examining Giuliani’s interactions” with Parnas and another Giuliani associate, Igor Fruman, who was also indicted on campaign finance charges, a law enforcement source told Reuters on Sunday.
The New York Times reported last week that Parnas had told associates he paid Giuliani hundreds of thousands of dollars for what Giuliani said was business and legal advice. Giuliani said for the first time on Monday that the total amount was $500,000.
Giuliani told Reuters the money came in two payments made within weeks of each other. He said he could not recall the dates of the payments. He said most of the work he did for Fraud Guarantee was completed in 2018 but that he had been doing follow-up for over a year.
Parnas and Fruman were arrested at Dulles Airport outside Washington last week on charges they funneled foreign money to unnamed U.S. politicians in a bid to influence U.S.-Ukraine relations in violation of U.S. campaign finance laws. The men were preparing to board a plane to Europe.
According to an indictment unsealed by U.S. prosecutors, an unidentified Russian businessman arranged for two $500,000 wires to be sent from foreign bank accounts to a U.S. account controlled by Fruman in September and October 2018. The money was used, in part, by Fruman, Parnas and two other men charged in the indictment to gain influence with U.S. politicians and candidates, the indictment said.
Foreign nationals are prohibited from making contributions and other expenditures in connection with U.S. elections, and from making contributions in someone else’s name.
Giuliani said he was confident that the money he received was from “a domestic source,” but he would not say where it came from.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WU07Z


The White House’s former top Russia adviser told impeachment investigators that Giuliani ran a shadow foreign policy in Ukraine that circumvented U.S. officials and career diplomats in order to personally benefit Trump



Fiona Hill, the White House’s former top Russia adviser, told impeachment investigators on Monday that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, ran a shadow foreign policy in Ukraine that circumvented U.S. officials and career diplomats in order to personally benefit President Trump, according to people familiar with her testimony.

Hill, who served as the senior official for Russia and Europe on the National Security Council, was the latest witness in a fast-moving impeachment inquiry focused on whether the president abused his office by using the promise of military aid and diplomatic support to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political rivals.


In a closed-door session that lasted roughly 10 hours, Hill told lawmakers that she confronted Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, about Giuliani’s activities which, she testified, were not coordinated with the officials responsible for carrying out U.S. foreign policy, these people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to disclose details of her deposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...4aa_story.html




WASHINGTON — The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation inside the White House last summer that so alarmed John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, that he told an aide to alert White House lawyers, House investigators were told on Monday.

Mr. Bolton got into a tense exchange on July 10 with Gordon D. Sondland, the Trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union, who was working with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to press Ukraine to investigate Democrats, according to three people who heard the testimony.
The aide, Fiona Hill, testified that Mr. Bolton told her to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council about a rogue effort by Mr. Sondland, Mr. Giuliani and Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, according to the people familiar the testimony.
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to two people at the deposition. (Another person in the room initially said Mr. Bolton referred to Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Mulvaney, but two others said he cited Mr. Sondland.)


It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about the campaign being run by Mr. Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton as saying during an earlier conversation.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/u...testimony.html

[Kirkland Laing]

This lines from the indictment should keep Parnas/Fruman & Giuliani up at night: 1-sounds SO colludy 2-SDNY has their private words in some way & form 3-who’s the “individual”?






7:27 am - 12 Oct 2019 https://twitter.com/Mimirocah1/statu...26335809265666

[El Kabong]

Oh no an investigation into someone aligned with Trump surely this will spell the end of Drumpf

To quote George W Bush

[Kirkland Laing]

That was a year ago Lyle. Very damning information was supposed to be coming out over a year ago! What happened Lyle?

Don't let the end of this post put you off answering the questions you're still dodging. Here they are again:

I'm not asking you what you think of Trump's legal strategy. I'm asking you whether you agree with his claim that he's above the law, that while he's in office he has immunity from any legal process of any kind. I'd also like to know whether you think he has the legal right to run investigations into political rivals bypassing the actual investigative machinery that legally he's supposed to use, the DOJ, FBI and so on -- or even using it?

Yeah a year ago...a year ago Comey and Mueller was supposed to spell the end of evil Trump and .....wait a second he's STILL President. What happened indeed Kirkland? Perhaps you're the best one to venture a guess about that...have at it, guess away tell us when the impeachment will be done and when.....what Biden runs against him? Are you a Biden guy? You're not seriously thinking ANY of these Democrats stand even the slightest chance of winning do you?

1. IF Trump actually said that and I've got my doubts, then he shouldn't have said that, but he's known to have a way with words and sometimes certain people....you know the kind....get the wrong idea. I think it's quite likely you misheard or misinterpreted what Trump has said.

Oh Trump is allowed to investigate his opponents he's just got to do it the proper way which is via the FBI, DOJ, etc.....so AG Barr being involved should change your opinion of this then, AG Barr is as AG head of the DOJ after all. And if the FBI corruptly attempted to torpedo his Presidency why would Trump place ANY faith in them?


2. Trump's kids running the Trump family business....wow so corrupt it's not like they did that their entire lives. Also the context to those pictures paints quite a different picture than The Biden's with a Ukrainian oil magnate on a golf course before Hunter gets his job with Burisma and VP Biden is "gifted" the job of dealing with Ukraine...but hey if it was no big deal it was no big deal and it's not like similar shit would have happened with China AND Hunter Biden's Chinese counterpart wouldn't have been busted in a corruption scandal over there....oh wait.



Kirk, you're awfully fussy about Trump. So what's the deal? Is he making life harder for you or do you just don't like him? I have to say his presidency getting you so riled up has been well worth it already.


OK then yeah don't worry about the FISA court abuses....we'll see what happens

There was never a realistic chance that the Mueller investigation would reach Trump and I never claimed otherwise despite you claiming in almost every post that I was. It wasn't like he was going to release a transcript of a phone call offering taxpayer dollars in return for a foreign power fixing the 2016 election. Most of his senior campaign team got swept up in the criminal investigation though. And judging by the polls at least three of those Democrats have a ten point lead over trump so clearly the American electorate think some people have a chance of beating him. You're aware Trump is a historically unpopular president and is losing by ten points to multiple Democratic condenders, right? That's currently on the shelf?

Lyle, I posted the fucking court filing that specifically says Trump considers himself above the law two days ago. Either you read it and it fell off your little shelf within 48 hours or you didn't even read my post. Here it is again Lyle:

Trump tried to stop his accountants from complying with the subpoena by seeking an injunction, claiming that as long as he is in office, he’s above the law. I’m not exaggerating. Trump’s lawyers argued that while in office, Trump “enjoys absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind.”
This goes way beyond not being able to indict a sitting president. As the court noted, Trump was seeking a “virtually limitless” sphere of protection that would prevent everything from prosecution to even investigating him for possible crimes while in office. And astoundingly, Trump even claimed this king-like immunity would also apply to third parties that are in possession of Trump’s information, like his accountants at Mazars, or to his “associates, or relatives who may have collaborated with the president in committing purportedly unlawful acts.” (Trump’s lawyers conceded that no court had afforded a sitting president this much immunity before.)
Judge Marrero was not having any of this, slamming Trump’s goal as being “repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values.” He wrote bluntly that Trump’s very argument was one that would place him “above the law” as President, a notion “that the Founders rejected at the inception of the Republic, and that the Supreme Court has since unequivocally repudiated.”

See the link in the post? You can read the actual court filing, the judge's description of Trump's lawyers' case and their actual filing itself. So I'm not mishearing anything, it's written down. And I'm not misinterpreting the court filing, it's right there. Can we both agree that Trump is incorrect when he claims he's immune from even being investigated and that anybody he's associated with is also covered by that immunity? Can you just answer this now please instead of me having to keep asking?


There's zero evidence that the FBI corruptly tried to end his presidency. There's endless evidence that they correctly investigated a bunch of illegal actions by the Trump campaign.

Trump's kids are running a business that the president shouldn't own while he's in office to prevent conflicts of interest. Presidents have since the end of WW2 sold anything they have a business interest in to prevent confluicts of interest occuring. Jimmy Carter even had to sell his peanut farm. Trump won't divest anything and has his kids running round the world starting new business ventures and unlike any prez for half a century won't release his tax returns so nobody can see who is paying him for what. The Hunter Biden thing is nothing by comparison.

Your latest Hunter Biden claim is also bullshit. That isn't a Ukrainian gas executive in the photograph. This has already been posted but has already fallen off your little shelf. It's a real disadvantage not having a memory better than a goldfish when it comes to argung something complicated, isn't it Lyle?
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/s...07564486303745

Here's a rundown of some of the Trump family conflicts of interest. None of these fuckers have released their tax returns either.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency

[Kirkland Laing]

Lyle, I have to say that this would be the perfect moment for Trump to drop the hammer and start the mass arrests of all the deep state plotters.

You fucking idiot.

Nope, not yet. But you know what?



We'll see what happens

Would you like to put a date on this "see what happens" bullshit? An actual date when if there are no arrests of all these deep state people, like for instance:

https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...52#post1515752

the people you mention in this post, you'll admit you were wrong? You mentioned election day 2020 before. Are we still good for that date?

[Kirkland Laing]

For such an elite big shot Kirkland sure does like to argue a lot with somebody he thinks is an idiot. The Trump thing is borderline obsession and he talks far more about that than any British issue. Unusual.

Oh Miles, after becoming an instant expert on finance and banking in the wake of the 2008 meltdown and then finding out everything you thought would happen was completely and utterly wrong and having to accept I actually knew what I was talking about you're now reduced to the occasional bout of passive agressive bitching when something I say gets you upset.

It's like getting texts from one of my exes. Don't you realise how stupid you look going out with girls half your age. That girl you're going out with now is really trashy. It's obvious she's had work done. I'm much prettier than she is. I've got more insta followers than she has.

[Kirkland Laing]

For such an elite big shot Kirkland sure does like to argue a lot with somebody he thinks is an idiot. The Trump thing is borderline obsession and he talks far more about that than any British issue. Unusual.

Oh Miles, after becoming an instant expert on finance and banking* in the wake of the 2008 meltdown and then finding out everything you thought would happen was completely and utterly wrong and having to accept I actually knew what I was talking about you're now reduced to the occasional bout of passive agressive bitching when something I say gets you upset.

It's like getting texts from one of my exes. Don't you realise how stupid you look going out with girls half your age. That girl you're going out with now is really trashy. It's obvious she's had work done. I'm much prettier than she is. I've got more insta followers than she has.

*By listening to idiots on a Russian propaganda channel, the twenty first century version of Pravda. Ffs.

[El Kabong]

Would you like to put a date on this "see what happens" bullshit? An actual date when if there are no arrests of all these deep state people, like for instance:

https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...52#post1515752

the people you mention in this post, you'll admit you were wrong? You mentioned election day 2020 before. Are we still good for that date?

Why should I put a date on these things? It ain't like I'm actively working on the case Kirk. Just let it play out and watch what happens.

I don't know when things will happen...heck even the Horowitz IG report is tentatively scheduled for release on the 18th....it's not set in stone. The wheels of justice can move very slow sometimes and you seem extraordinarily impatient for some reason.

....again, why? What is your beef? You're very emotional about all of this it seems unhealthy....do you need to talk? Not only are you unreasonably abrasive towards me, but it seems as though Donald Trump has personally injured you some how.

It's like getting texts from one of my exes. Don't you realise how stupid you look going out with girls half your age. That girl you're going out with now is really trashy. It's obvious she's had work done. I'm much prettier than she is. I've got more insta followers than she has.

[Fatboxingfan]

@kirtland You are not in the LOR (Lord of Rings) gang with @Tusks at the helm! @walrus #Tuskerdoodle

[walrus]

Would you like to put a date on this "see what happens" bullshit? An actual date when if there are no arrests of all these deep state people, like for instance:

https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...52#post1515752

the people you mention in this post, you'll admit you were wrong? You mentioned election day 2020 before. Are we still good for that date?

Why should I put a date on these things? It ain't like I'm actively working on the case Kirk. Just let it play out and watch what happens.

I don't know when things will happen...heck even the Horowitz IG report is tentatively scheduled for release on the 18th....it's not set in stone. The wheels of justice can move very slow sometimes and you seem extraordinarily impatient for some reason.

....again, why? What is your beef? You're very emotional about all of this it seems unhealthy....do you need to talk? Not only are you unreasonably abrasive towards me, but it seems as though Donald Trump has personally injured you some how.

It's like getting texts from one of my exes. Don't you realise how stupid you look going out with girls half your age. That girl you're going out with now is really trashy. It's obvious she's had work done. I'm much prettier than she is. I've got more insta followers than she has.

Kirkland at can’t believe you have several divorces. A nice open minded guy like you, who would have thunk

[Fatboxingfan]

😆😆😆😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[Gandalf]

For such an elite big shot Kirkland sure does like to argue a lot with somebody he thinks is an idiot. The Trump thing is borderline obsession and he talks far more about that than any British issue. Unusual.

Oh Miles, after becoming an instant expert on finance and banking in the wake of the 2008 meltdown and then finding out everything you thought would happen was completely and utterly wrong and having to accept I actually knew what I was talking about you're now reduced to the occasional bout of passive agressive bitching when something I say gets you upset.

It's like getting texts from one of my exes. Don't you realise how stupid you look going out with girls half your age. That girl you're going out with now is really trashy. It's obvious she's had work done. I'm much prettier than she is. I've got more insta followers than she has.

But I was completely right, wasn't I? I said they would never raise interest rates to normal rates again snd you mocked me much as you do Lyle. Where did interest rates rise to and where are they headed? Out here they will be at record lows of 1% come spring. My forecasts have been pretty good considering some super elite chap said I was wrong. They never normalized interest rates did they? And you know they cannot now. Hole. Dug. Deep.

[Fatboxingfan]

The wizard member of our Lord of the rings gang has completely annihilated kirtland