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    Why does water stay in my glass?
    Tusker doodle he will answer that the same way he answered when I asked him how come when I jump up in the air I come back down.

    His answer was because that's just what happens you just come back down
    So what is incorrect with my reply? What were you claiming is happening?
    Jackass, I KNOW what's happening, but you're being a jackass by intentionally avoiding the "WHY" you come back down after you jump up. The answer, moron, is GRAVITY.

    YEAH, GRAVITY, WHICH WAS THE ANSWER TO WHY WATER STICKS TO THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH ON A SPHERE BECAUSE GRAVITY PULLS EVERYTHING TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE SPHERE. THERE IS NO TRUE UP OR TRUE DOWN. AND LIKE I SAID AGAIN I KNOW THAT'S VERY TOUGH WITH YOU.

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    May I ask why you are using Ad hominems? I am only asking questions about my reality.

    I can why I come back down, as by my body being more dense than the air around me when I jump up, the air can't support me so I drop back down. Basically finding my equilibrium.

    It sounds like you are disribing Newton's gravity, mass attracts to mass, right? We'll forget that it was superseded by Einstein's theory of reality. So can you please provide me with a practical demonstration of mass attracting to mass in nature. And also the physics of water demonstrate that your belief that it can do something different than we observe at some undefined scale is false. Practically demonstrate a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape.
    Well remember it was accepted at the time of socratates the world was round, then it went back to flat, now it’s round again.

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    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    I’m not asking questions to attack alpha I’m actually interested in the flat earthers. So you as you will saddosotafats but I’m not insulting or calling names just trying to get answers. I waterfall falls right, then it keeps going and sometimes turns into more waterfalls. They were actually able to measure the three gorges damn effecting the earths rotation. Anyway, I find it interesting. I think you are English fats, in the US we are open minded to such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
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    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    I’m not asking questions to attack alpha I’m actually interested in the flat earthers. So you as you will saddosotafats but I’m not insulting or calling names just trying to get answers. I waterfall falls right, then it keeps going and sometimes turns into more waterfalls. They were actually able to measure the three gorges damn effecting the earths rotation. Anyway, I find it interesting. I think you are English fats, in the US we are open minded to such things.
    But are you really interested?

    Let me ask you. Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?
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    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    I’m not asking questions to attack alpha I’m actually interested in the flat earthers. So you as you will saddosotafats but I’m not insulting or calling names just trying to get answers. I waterfall falls right, then it keeps going and sometimes turns into more waterfalls. They were actually able to measure the three gorges damn effecting the earths rotation. Anyway, I find it interesting. I think you are English fats, in the US we are open minded to such things.
    But are you really interested?

    Let me ask you. Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?
    I am interested why do we need pumps to bring water up from underground

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    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    I’m not asking questions to attack alpha I’m actually interested in the flat earthers. So you as you will saddosotafats but I’m not insulting or calling names just trying to get answers. I waterfall falls right, then it keeps going and sometimes turns into more waterfalls. They were actually able to measure the three gorges damn effecting the earths rotation. Anyway, I find it interesting. I think you are English fats, in the US we are open minded to such things.
    But are you really interested?

    Let me ask you. Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?
    I am interested why do we need pumps to bring water up from underground
    I tried to establish first principles, to see where we agree so we could have a discussion. I leave you to your delusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
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    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    I’m not asking questions to attack alpha I’m actually interested in the flat earthers. So you as you will saddosotafats but I’m not insulting or calling names just trying to get answers. I waterfall falls right, then it keeps going and sometimes turns into more waterfalls. They were actually able to measure the three gorges damn effecting the earths rotation. Anyway, I find it interesting. I think you are English fats, in the US we are open minded to such things.
    But are you really interested?

    Let me ask you. Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?
    I am interested why do we need pumps to bring water up from underground
    I tried to establish first principles, to see where we agree so we could have a discussion. I leave you to your delusion.
    The king of delusion calls me delusional. I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    There is basically just up and down. If I jump up, I will come back down due to my body being denser than the air. Why would anyone think they would fall sideways.

    Your gravity (which you have still failed to define, so I had to for you) sure is selective. Able to hold trillions of gallions of water to the surface of a ball, but birds have no problem resisting it. How about a hellium balloon. Gravity can't even keep that down. And you still haven't provided a practical demonstration of mass attracting to mass in the natural for me to observe.

    Why are you getting so triggered? I am only asking questions of the affirmative claim that was taught to me. You can believe whatever you like. But don't expect me to agree with your beliefs. Is it because you are struggling to prove what you thought was true? A bit of cognitive dissonance perhaps?

    I'm asking for practical demonstrations of the affirmative claims of the globe using tangble substance.

    You are just ranting now, and again you bring nothing practical to back up your beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic
    Man's entitled to his opinion based on life as he sees and lives it. Hell do I care if someone thinks the moon is made of cheese. If your default end game is repetitive molotovs aka insults new guy than stick with it, surely you'll go far with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic
    Man's entitled to his opinion based on life as he sees and lives it. Hell do I care if someone thinks the moon is made of cheese. If your default end game is repetitive molotovs aka insults new guy than stick with it, surely you'll go far with that.
    I believe this is the only topic and which I use any insults. I'm assuming you have seen all the other insults on all the other threads by several other posters. Yet I don't remember you responding to any of them the way you just responded to me.

    Hmmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic
    Man's entitled to his opinion based on life as he sees and lives it. Hell do I care if someone thinks the moon is made of cheese. If your default end game is repetitive molotovs aka insults new guy than stick with it, surely you'll go far with that.
    I believe this is the only topic and which I use any insults. I'm assuming you have seen all the other insults on all the other threads by several other posters. Yet I don't remember you responding to any of them the way you just responded to me.

    Hmmmm....
    You have no idea what I've responded to and what I see friend . Concern yourself with yourself, and go get a glass of water and answer the mans question or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic
    You see in 2d, you can't tell if the lumminaries are shperical. You have never been up there in 3d to move around them.

    As I posted earlier, the first eclipses were predicted on flat earth models.

    And again, lokking at the sky gives you nothing tangible for the shape of the earth.

    It's a demonstrable fact that a body of water will always take the shape of its contain, and the surface will remain level. All you have is pretend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    so why don't you go sideways when you jump up in the air? Why just straight down every time? Why always straight down when you drop a ball from your hand? Why straight down when you drop a rock off the leaning tower of Pisa? Why not sideways? Why not up? Why not at a diagonal? Your arguments a're absolutely asinine and you are the biggest troll on Earth. If I was King I would stop people like you from spouting diarrhea because the rest of us should not have to hear the nonsense. Is the Moon made of green cheese? You are an idiot.

    you never answer anybody's questions. You didn't answer El kabong and you didn't answer walrus and you didn't answer me. Whenever there's a question you can't answer you say it's an ad hominem argument. Nice and convenient strategy you have.

    I don't know how you live with yourself, living in 100% denial, living the life of a pure liar.
    A repugnant the troll who should not have the right to speak.
    Bit Molotov's from the Mount on the last eh. Not like any single odd ball topic and stubborn dedication therein defines us fully as real life scale individuals. I think the Earth being flat is nuttier than Chinese chicken salad but fair play to Alpha being back in it and making a case as one, far from a moron, idiot or a life of lies.
    Anyone who thinks the world is flat is an idiot. it means they have to willfully ignore looking up and seeing all the heavenly bodies spherical in shape. It means they have to willfully look up during lunar and solar eclipses and ignore the curvature of the shadow that the Earth casts on to the moon and that the moon casts on to the Earth etc etc etc. You can't get more idiotic than that. I'm just stating a fact. sermon on the Mount is more about morals and things of that nature. But if somebody comes up and says two plus two equals 7 I think using shear logic it's pretty idiotic
    It makes complete sense if you are using shear logic. You can always adapt the seven to fit the formula with a careful trim.

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