The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

Even if they agree a deal it isn't a deal, it's just a standstill agreement. The "deal" means Britain stays inside the customs union for a couple of years while the terms and conditions of the actual deal are worked out. Just wait and see the shit Britain has to swallow to maintain access to the destination of hundreds of billions of its goods and the source of hundreds of billions more, not to mention all the jobs. It will become clear to even the most ardent Brexit supporter than the resulting deal will never be anywhere near as good for the UK as being part of the EU was. They're going to get extremely pissed off at somebody. It won't be themselves naturally.

Yes oh how you'll miss being under Germany's boot .....really would have been easier to just give up during the Blitz

It has nothing to do with being under Germany's boot or the world war that propaganda does not help or get us a deal which is what is required.

Reality is the Tory government should never had a brexit referendum but did it because it was tearing them apart. They still could have got any deal through when they had the numbers in parliament but May lost her majority. It is their mess and now they have come with up with an even worse deal because they are so desperate to leave at any expense.

Hopefully they lose the vote on Saturday and have to ask for the extension.

The EU is Germany, Master. Who has benefitted the most from the project? Not Spain, not France, not Greece. Germany.

[El Kabong]

Greece has been partially annexed by Germany already

[Gandalf]

Greece has been partially annexed by Germany already

Precisely. The German attitude towards Greece was appalling and hardly any display of commonality. That was mostly Germany. That's how you treat the neighbors you made give up their currency?

Thatcher for all her flaws knew what the EU was and wanted some distance. Thank god she never relented to the Tories within who were willing to sacrifice the pound.

[Beanz]

What a bunch of racist foreigners telling another country who they should hate.

[Gandalf]

What a bunch of racist foreigners telling another country who they should hate.

Do you agree with how Germany treated Greece?

[Beanz]

What a bunch of racist foreigners telling another country who they should hate.

Do you agree with how Germany treated Greece?

Of course not. I have never pretended that the EU was some kind of Utopian vision made real. That does not make El Kabong talking about annexing and being under Germanies boot and giving up during the Blitz and ze this and that, any less racist. It is pathetic and low and incredibly insulting to the Brits that gave their lives defending this country to have a jumped up American hipster telling them that they don't have the right to move on. That he is pissed off with America not owning the NHS and so he is happy to piss about with their honour in order to win an internet argument. Fuck him, he is just proving to be the Bigot he always denied being. What an arsehole.

[Gandalf]

What a bunch of racist foreigners telling another country who they should hate.

Do you agree with how Germany treated Greece?

Of course not. I have never pretended that the EU was some kind of Utopian vision made real. That does not make El Kabong talking about annexing and being under Germanies boot and giving up during the Blitz and ze this and that, any less racist. It is pathetic and low and incredibly insulting to the Brits that gave their lives defending this country to have a jumped up American hipster telling them that they don't have the right to move on. That he is pissed off with America not owning the NHS and so he is happy to piss about with their honour in order to win an internet argument. Fuck him, he is just proving to be the Bigot he always denied being. What an arsehole.

They were cruel and vindictive and knew that Greece had no ability to devalue to ease out of the situation. Granted the Greeks do have a habit of being too pension friendly, but at the same time a nation state with sovereignty has the chance to do things on its own terms like Argentina sometimes does. Greece was crushed.

And lest we forget that Americans gave lives too and without US aid and support the British would have had a harder time finishing off the Nazi's. Britain historically imports most of its food even now which is incredibly short sighted. It bankrupted us of course too, so let us not forget the issues Germany has habitually inflicted over the past 100 years. It is a rival and has its own power game at work. Let's not be ignorant about that.

Germany was allowed to prosper despite what it did to Europe and that's how they treat a fellow ally in Greece they historically treated so poorly? I really don't like the idea of women selling their bodies to survive or of half a million fleeing because of desperate and avoidable economic policies. Germany has a lot to answer for in that regard. There is something called forgiveness and being part of a Union there should have been more understanding especially considering Greece was not really in a position to join in the first place. That is how inept the EU is.

I don't understand why you are being so harsh to Lyle. I don't think Lyle really wants anything to happen to the NHS and the only thing I would want to see is immigrants pay for its use for the first 3 years and not claim any benefits at all for a similar period. It struggles partly because it is so overburdened and because so many people are overweight or using emergency wards for drinking habits. Those people have more health issues and need to take care of themselves better.

[El Kabong]

That does not make El Kabong talking about annexing and being under Germanies boot and giving up during the Blitz and ze this and that, any less racist.

How is it racist?



Germany DID annex Greek Islands because of Greece's debt. A debt which should have prevented them from joining the EU, but for some reason they were allowed to join.....and then Germany bought up some islands because you know fair is fair