The Brexit Thread

[El Kabong]

How is Britain under Germany's boot exactly?

Brexit: Deal essentially impossible, No 10 source says after PM-Merkel call
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267


What boot?

[Master]

How is Britain under Germany's boot exactly?

Brexit: Deal essentially impossible, No 10 source says after PM-Merkel call
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267


What boot?

That is old news. They did secure a deal which was voted down in parliament on Saturday. There is no boot here.

[El Kabong]

How is Britain under Germany's boot exactly?

Brexit: Deal essentially impossible, No 10 source says after PM-Merkel call
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267


What boot?

That is old news. They did secure a deal which was voted down in parliament on Saturday. There is no boot here.

Why does Merkel have a say at all?

[Master]

How is Britain under Germany's boot exactly?

Brexit: Deal essentially impossible, No 10 source says after PM-Merkel call
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267


What boot?

That is old news. They did secure a deal which was voted down in parliament on Saturday. There is no boot here.

Why does Merkel have a say at all?

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

[El Kabong]

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

27 other countries need to agree to ALLOW Britain to implement the will of their people.


Yes indeed, no boot at all

[Master]

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

27 other countries need to agree to ALLOW Britain to implement the will of their people.


Yes indeed, no boot at all

No, 27 countries need to agree a sensible deal with the UK so that it does not leave in a disorderly fashion.

Boris wants to rush it having no regard to the impact it will have on the country for many years to come.

[Gandalf]

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

27 other countries need to agree to ALLOW Britain to implement the will of their people.


Yes indeed, no boot at all

No, 27 countries need to agree a sensible deal with the UK so that it does not leave in a disorderly fashion.

Boris wants to rush it having no regard to the impact it will have on the country for many years to come.

The Tories have messed up by basically souping up May's deal. Very weak, but no deal would never pass Parliament. So now both parties are seemingly essentially against the will of the people. If there was FPTP I think Britain would be on the verge of a political revolution.

No deal is the only way for a fresh start and it is being denied. Britain looks to be in a lot of trouble and then the Tories outright banning protests? Not a good look either. The people voted a very long time ago and the referendum has been trashed. That is treason. A nation has the right to its own sovereignty.

[Kirkland Laing]

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

27 other countries need to agree to ALLOW Britain to implement the will of their people.


Yes indeed, no boot at all

Nothing is stopping Britain doing anything. Britain can walk away from the EU tomorrow just by sending a letter. But then they're out of the customs union and the economy falls off a cliff. Britain is getting a divorce from the EU and the other party in this divorce, the EU countries, have a say in this too. If you got a divorce and decided you'd keep the house and assets and would transfer all the joint debt into your wife's name you would not be able to do this. Because there are contract laws and you signed a contract with your wife. Same thing here. Britainhas to negotiate a mutually acceptable resolution with the union it's breaking away from. Even the fucking idiots running the country realise they can't just walk away.

[El Kabong]

Nothing is stopping Britain doing anything. Britain can walk away from the EU tomorrow just by sending a letter. But then they're out of the customs union and the economy falls off a cliff. Britain is getting a divorce from the EU and the other party in this divorce, the EU countries, have a say in this too. If you got a divorce and decided you'd keep the house and assets and would transfer all the joint debt into your wife's name you would not be able to do this. Because there are contract laws and you signed a contract with your wife. Same thing here. Britainhas to negotiate a mutually acceptable resolution with the union it's breaking away from. Even the fucking idiots running the country realise they can't just walk away.

Yeah not like I'd be one to be aware of the perils of secession from a union Kirk. The main question I have is if the union is voluntary or compulsory...joining certainly seemed voluntary, but leaving....leaving seems a bit more involved now doesn't it?

At the end of the day if Germany wants to make a deal Britain will get a deal, if Germany doesn't want to make a deal then there will be no deal. It is the power of that nation in the EU which is why I mentioned Britain being under Germany's boot.....yes, indeed you are and it's not an enviable predicament in which you find yourselves.



And the more Establishment Tories (not sure what else I'd call them) were quite full of themselves and their hubris allowed for Brexit to win at the polls. Had the choice been Remain vs Brexit with a deal vs Brexit deal or not then the vote would have been split and only the mere illusion of choice given to the people. Ironically if the people press for a deal then you're sadly back at that "illusion of a choice" as Germany will offer no deal that anyone will want to accept....that boot there, that's the one you're all under and the entire nation has my empathy as I am absolutely CERTAIN the longer this drags out the more like a redheaded stepchild Britain will be treated by the EU. Politicians are quite vindictive....after a while a no deal Brexit might look like a relief, I certainly hope it doesn't come to that.

[Kirkland Laing]

How is Britain under Germany's boot exactly?

Brexit: Deal essentially impossible, No 10 source says after PM-Merkel call
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267


What boot?

This was Boris last week setting Germany up to take the blame in the British press for Britain being unable to make a deal. This has zero bearing on whether Britain in the EU is in any way dominated by Germany. You can't find any evidence to support the ridiculous claim you made because there isn't any.

Boris released a bunch of private details from a conversation. The details were already well known for three years now, Merkel was just restating the position of the EU 27 countries which is that Britain would have to agree to Irish demands over the Northern Ireland border if Britain wanted to make a deal. Boris eventually agreed to the Irish demands. This is an object lesson for how negotiations will eventually work out when Britain leaves. It turns out that twenty seven countries working together are much more powerful than one country. And that one small country (Ireland), historically dominated/militarily occupied by another bigger country (Britain) is now much more powerful as a member of the twenty seven than the bigger country is by itself.

It's also a textbook example of how the press in Britain, which forms public opinion, works. Look how the negotiations have been covered over the past few years. This from January 2017:



Look how accurate that was. Now Boris caved to EU/Irish demands by agreeing a border in the Irish sea, something a year ago he and May and the rest of them had said a British government could never agree to, and the press is selling this as Boris gets the deal everybody said was impossible to get.