The Brexit Thread

**Gandalf** · 10-22-2019 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by Master

Boris went around all of Europe's leaders even though there are negotiators that they must go through. There are 27 countries that need to agree.

27 other countries need to agree to ALLOW Britain to implement the will of their people.

Yes indeed, no boot at all

No, 27 countries need to agree a sensible deal with the UK so that it does not leave in a disorderly fashion.

Boris wants to rush it having no regard to the impact it will have on the country for many years to come.

The Tories have messed up by basically souping up May's deal. Very weak, but no deal would never pass Parliament. So now both parties are seemingly essentially against the will of the people. If there was FPTP I think Britain would be on the verge of a political revolution.

No deal is the only way for a fresh start and it is being denied. Britain looks to be in a lot of trouble and then the Tories outright banning protests? Not a good look either. The people voted a very long time ago and the referendum has been trashed. That is treason. A nation has the right to its own sovereignty.

**Gandalf** · 10-22-2019 08:46 AM

Ever...no deal would ever pass the 5th Column Parliament.

**Master** · 10-22-2019 08:52 AM

There is a FPTP (First Past the Post) system in the UK did you mean if there was not then there would be a political revolution?

Nobody voted for a no deal, the referendum was about being in or out and if it was out then people said a deal could be made.

Referendums are a bad idea as we vote for politicians to make the decisions. They only gave us a referendum because it was destroying the Conservatives.

**Gandalf** · 10-22-2019 09:31 AM

My naughty......Proportional Representation. I had FPTP on the brain in that moment as I don't like that system.

I don't think the referendum question had anything in its wording about 'a deal'. It was about staying or leaving something the people never voted to be part of and that was it.

I love referendums and would like more of them. MP's have shown they don't give a hoot what the voters think so they are no longer representatives of the people.

I think it is totally valid to have referendums on important topics and certainly on things like national sovereignty.

**Gandalf** · 10-22-2019 09:33 AM

Yes, with no FPTP you would see the collapse of the 2 monopoly parties very quickly in todays climate. You make the people mad and they become unpredictable. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

**Master** · 10-22-2019 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Yes, with no FPTP you would see the collapse of the 2 monopoly parties very quickly in todays climate. You make the people mad and they become unpredictable. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

The First Past The Post system is the best system as you get a stable and secure government any PR system leads to weak and smaller/extreme parties holding too much power.

**Gandalf** · 10-22-2019 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Yes, with no FPTP you would see the collapse of the 2 monopoly parties very quickly in todays climate. You make the people mad and they become unpredictable. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

The First Past The Post system is the best system as you get a stable and secure government any PR system leads to weak and smaller/extreme parties holding too much power.

But they would resist this more ably by coalition.