Shakur Stevenson vs Joet Gonzalez (WBO Featherweight Title)

[Alpha]

Don’t hold your breath Shakur, you know the game. TR has the best MATCHMAKER in the game so don’t expect tough matches.

I thought the Diaz fight was a tough opponent for that stage.

[Spicoli]

No qualms at all with a #1 and #2 sorting it out. Stevenson has shown a little maturity and haven't seen him sounding bitter like he was early on. He's clearly skilled and one to watch and Gonzalez has done solid work.

[Alpha]

No qualms at all with a #1 and #2 sorting it out. Stevenson has shown a little maturity and haven't seen him sounding bitter like he was early on. He's clearly skilled and one to watch and Gonzalez has done solid work.

Yea the Gonzalez bout seems competitive to me on paper.

[Fenster]

If Stevenson was British he'd be a much bigger name, the problem in America is they only show main event/chief support on TV, so the fans never get the experience of following prospects and watching their progress.

Stevenson has seriously impressed me of late, however, Gonzalez has some good amateur credentials (beat Shorty (Tank)). Cracking matchup and great to have rival powerhouse promoters not stopping fights.

[powerpuncher]

If Stevenson was British he'd be a much bigger name, the problem in America is they only show main event/chief support on TV, so the fans never get the experience of following prospects and watching their progress.

Stevenson has seriously impressed me of late, however, Gonzalez has some good amateur credentials (beat Shorty (Tank)). Cracking matchup and great to have rival powerhouse promoters not stopping fights.

That’s one thing that I envy about the British boxing scene. It’s much easier to follow fighters coming up. All of you Brits watch what I consider low quality cards because they have fighters who you have seen coming up for a long time. We don’t have that in the US.

Maybe if you are from a specific place in the US, but I’ve never lived anywhere that boxing is popular. I’m always the only boxing fan I know basically.

[Ron Swanson]

If Stevenson was British he'd be a much bigger name, the problem in America is they only show main event/chief support on TV, so the fans never get the experience of following prospects and watching their progress.

Stevenson has seriously impressed me of late, however, Gonzalez has some good amateur credentials (beat Shorty (Tank)). Cracking matchup and great to have rival powerhouse promoters not stopping fights.

That’s one thing that I envy about the British boxing scene. It’s much easier to follow fighters coming up. All of you Brits watch what I consider low quality cards because they have fighters who you have seen coming up for a long time. We don’t have that in the US.

Maybe if you are from a specific place in the US, but I’ve never lived anywhere that boxing is popular. I’m always the only boxing fan I know basically.

We’ll never get that because we don’t attach to fighters because they are American like Brits do Brits. If you want to see prospects you’re going to need to live near boxing.

[Spicoli]

If Stevenson was British he'd be a much bigger name, the problem in America is they only show main event/chief support on TV, so the fans never get the experience of following prospects and watching their progress.

Stevenson has seriously impressed me of late, however, Gonzalez has some good amateur credentials (beat Shorty (Tank)). Cracking matchup and great to have rival powerhouse promoters not stopping fights.

That’s one thing that I envy about the British boxing scene. It’s much easier to follow fighters coming up. All of you Brits watch what I consider low quality cards because they have fighters who you have seen coming up for a long time. We don’t have that in the US.

Maybe if you are from a specific place in the US, but I’ve never lived anywhere that boxing is popular. I’m always the only boxing fan I know basically.

We’ll never get that because we don’t attach to fighters because they are American like Brits do Brits. If you want to see prospects you’re going to need to live near boxing.

I think the bigger pic problem is how the 'product' is delivered and marketed. Stevenson had a lot of pop and talk from the very start but imo the dumbest thing Arum has done is sideline many fighters on this espn+ nonsense rather than actual available regular espn cable. Call me stubborn . Instead he held debut on undercard on obscure ppv format headlined by Oscar Valdez who himself was struggling to be established. Same with Crawford early to an extent.

Arum used to do it so well, straight from the Olympics onto the huge main stage and fans..this nerd .. started following them right off. Of course lack of Olympic success also speaks to a bigger problem. But on early ESPN I remember Medalists Carbajal, Mercer and McKinney all featured in pro debuts in one night. Right there with Michael Buffer intros and big pressers with Duran v Barkley as main event. Then again that's another thing lacking today..legends and house names to main event these cards.

[Ron Swanson]

Don’t hold your breath Shakur, you know the game. TR has the best MATCHMAKER in the game so don’t expect tough matches.

I thought the Diaz fight was a tough opponent for that stage.

That’s what having the best Matchmaker in the game will do. Make it seem tough with no real threat. Nobody in the business would deny TR has the best matchmaker. Don’t get me wrong, he is being moved along exactly right, that’s the point. Just, when he says he wants Gary Russell and such, that is where I tell him not to hold his breath. It’s not going to happen unless they are very very very confident he will win.

[Alpha]

Don’t hold your breath Shakur, you know the game. TR has the best MATCHMAKER in the game so don’t expect tough matches.

I thought the Diaz fight was a tough opponent for that stage.

That’s what having the best Matchmaker in the game will do. Make it seem tough with no real threat. Nobody in the business would deny TR has the best matchmaker. Don’t get me wrong, he is being moved along exactly right, that’s the point. Just, when he says he wants Gary Russell and such, that is where I tell him not to hold his breath. It’s not going to happen unless they are very very very confident he will win.

Seems like a bit of double speak here, so could you please clarify.

"Make it seem tough with no real threat", "he is being moved along exactly right".

Are you saying that Diaz was no real threat going in? Or that he was a tough opponent for that stage?

I thought Diaz was a tough out, not saying he was elite, but a very good opponent.

[Ron Swanson]

Don’t hold your breath Shakur, you know the game. TR has the best MATCHMAKER in the game so don’t expect tough matches.

I thought the Diaz fight was a tough opponent for that stage.

That’s what having the best Matchmaker in the game will do. Make it seem tough with no real threat. Nobody in the business would deny TR has the best matchmaker. Don’t get me wrong, he is being moved along exactly right, that’s the point. Just, when he says he wants Gary Russell and such, that is where I tell him not to hold his breath. It’s not going to happen unless they are very very very confident he will win.

Seems like a bit of double speak here, so could you please clarify.

"Make it seem tough with no real threat", "he is being moved along exactly right".

Are you saying that Diaz was no real threat going in? Or that he was a tough opponent for that stage?

I thought Diaz was a tough out, not saying he was elite, but a very good opponent.

It’s not double talk at all. The art of matchmaking is making it look like guys are in tough when you know the outcome. Look at Crawford and Loma, moved to top 2 P4P, yet if you really look at who they fought it looks a hell of a lot better at time than it does after time passes. For Loma Russell has continued to excel. Who else? Rigo has done nothing at 130 because he’s small at 122. Loma didn’t fight the top guys at 130, none of them. His fault, not his fault, skip the debate of fault it remains he didn’t fight the top guys. 135, did anyone think Linares could go 12 with Mikey, seriously, anyone? Is Pedraza a 135 killer? How they have done since doesn’t say much for an argument to greatness. Frankly what they did before doesn’t either, they simply were not the top guys in the division. So Crolla, Campbell. If you really look at it that is not P4P number 1 stuff.

For example Floyd came out of retirement and fought the number 2 and number 3 P4P fighters consecutively and was insulted for it. “Marquez is too small”. The same Marquez that would go on to beat Manny f’n Pacquiao at the weight he was “too small” at.

Or Crawford, it doesn’t take much to pick his career apart either if you really get into it. I can’t even tell you who Crawford has fought at 47 and I’m a fan. Horn, Peg leg Benavidez and Khan, is that it? Is that top 2 P4P stuff? But there he is.

There is an art to boxing and it is getting people to believe the lie. FFS ESPN has listed Loma as being undefeated on 2 separate cards recently and nobody says a thing about it. They keep claiming Tyson Fury was and is lineal champ, he wasn’t and isn’t. Nobody sells snake oil like Top Rank. And I’ll be labeled a hater for pointing out these lies. Listing Loma as undefeated in one graphic, okay, a mistake, do it twice months apart, you are lying.

Ahh, alcohol, it leads to rants. I just love this sport and hate it so hahaha

[Alpha]

Don’t hold your breath Shakur, you know the game. TR has the best MATCHMAKER in the game so don’t expect tough matches.

I thought the Diaz fight was a tough opponent for that stage.

That’s what having the best Matchmaker in the game will do. Make it seem tough with no real threat. Nobody in the business would deny TR has the best matchmaker. Don’t get me wrong, he is being moved along exactly right, that’s the point. Just, when he says he wants Gary Russell and such, that is where I tell him not to hold his breath. It’s not going to happen unless they are very very very confident he will win.

Seems like a bit of double speak here, so could you please clarify.

"Make it seem tough with no real threat", "he is being moved along exactly right".

Are you saying that Diaz was no real threat going in? Or that he was a tough opponent for that stage?

I thought Diaz was a tough out, not saying he was elite, but a very good opponent.

It’s not double talk at all. The art of matchmaking is making it look like guys are in tough when you know the outcome. Look at Crawford and Loma, moved to top 2 P4P, yet if you really look at who they fought it looks a hell of a lot better at time than it does after time passes. For Loma Russell has continued to excel. Who else? Rigo has done nothing at 130 because he’s small at 122. Loma didn’t fight the top guys at 130, none of them. His fault, not his fault, skip the debate of fault it remains he didn’t fight the top guys. 135, did anyone think Linares could go 12 with Mikey, seriously, anyone? Is Pedraza a 135 killer? How they have done since doesn’t say much for an argument to greatness. Frankly what they did before doesn’t either, they simply were not the top guys in the division. So Crolla, Campbell. If you really look at it that is not P4P number 1 stuff.

For example Floyd came out of retirement and fought the number 2 and number 3 P4P fighters consecutively and was insulted for it. “Marquez is too small”. The same Marquez that would go on to beat Manny f’n Pacquiao at the weight he was “too small” at.

Or Crawford, it doesn’t take much to pick his career apart either if you really get into it. I can’t even tell you who Crawford has fought at 47 and I’m a fan. Horn, Peg leg Benavidez and Khan, is that it? Is that top 2 P4P stuff? But there he is.

There is an art to boxing and it is getting people to believe the lie. FFS ESPN has listed Loma as being undefeated on 2 separate cards recently and nobody says a thing about it. They keep claiming Tyson Fury was and is lineal champ, he wasn’t and isn’t. Nobody sells snake oil like Top Rank. And I’ll be labeled a hater for pointing out these lies. Listing Loma as undefeated in one graphic, okay, a mistake, do it twice months apart, you are lying.

Ahh, alcohol, it leads to rants. I just love this sport and hate it so hahaha

All good Ron, rant away, I love the sport as well. But this is what I was addressing:

"Make it seem tough with no real threat", "he is being moved along exactly right".

Are you saying that Diaz was no real threat going in? Or that he was a tough opponent for that stage?

So are you saying I was fooled into thinking Diaz was a tough opponent?

I'd have to disagree because even at this stage I think Diaz is a tough opponent for anyone around the weight.

[Alpha]

Anyone else staying around for this, or Easter/ Granados?

[TitoFan]

I'm watching someone else's broadcast on FB.

I didn't know there was a personal twist on the Gonzalez-Stevenson fight. Saw something where Stevenson is going out with Gonzalez's sister, who is also a boxer..... and the dad isn't too happy about it.
Seems the fight is personal.

On another note, this FB idiot won't STFU. I'll probably watch the fight in mute.


Being the multi-tasker that I am, I'm also watching the Astros-Nationals on TV.

Damn..... this brother won't STFU.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Thanks for the information!

Who the fuck are you talking to? Are you a bot